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#2257994 - 04/07/14 05:39 AM Young Chang pianos?
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Greatings!

Anyone out there who has experience with YC or Weber uprights and grands? I am talking about new ones, lets say produced in 2013 or 2014. Any comments about the product range? Quality and etc.. In summary I would really like to read a good and fresh review regarding about YC and Weber.


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#2258025 - 04/07/14 07:38 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Well according to their website they are produced by Hyundai and designed by Fandrich!
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#2258032 - 04/07/14 08:01 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: LarryShone]
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I played a few brand new ones about a month ago. They seem ok for the money. I liked the Webers better, they are a little more mellow sounding, much better if you have hardwood or plan to put it in a small room. However, I would buy a used Kawai before a new YC or Weber....much better value IMO.
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#2258098 - 04/07/14 11:12 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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I played their both YC and Weber baby grands, something like 4'11" or 5'. The dealer also had Hailuns. I liked the Hailuns tone better than both but liked the feel of the YC better. I don't remember how they compare with others in their class.
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#2258197 - 04/07/14 02:18 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: LarryShone]
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Originally Posted By: LarryShone
Well according to their website they are produced by Hyundai and designed by Fandrich!

Hyundai builds cars, cargo ships, tankers, High-rise apartment complexes, shopping centers, business centers and a lot of other things. Hyundai also owns a piano company -- Young Chang -- that builds pianos and has done so for several decades.

I redesigned the product line which is a little different than designing the product line.

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#2258223 - 04/07/14 02:59 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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We used to be Young Chang dealers at one time but no longer are.

Whenever a maker brings out many seperate "lines" it can get quickly confusing.
Sometimes even for us dealers - it was for us!

I would recommend to carefully check the specs of each individual piano in each line and go from there.

Variance is also happening within same line - check carefully.

"Variety is the spice of life" - but sometimes it can be a bit confusing...

When picking 'right' model, can be very nice pianos!

Good luck!

Norbert smile


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#2258400 - 04/07/14 09:28 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Del]
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Originally Posted By: Del
Hyundai builds cars, cargo ships, tankers, High-rise apartment complexes, shopping centers, business centers and a lot of other things.

Got that right !! The formal dining room set that we purchased 25 years ago (and still graces our dining room) was built by Hyundai. grin
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#2258537 - 04/08/14 08:17 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Thank you all for your answers!! And there goes another question.. smile What is the difference between Weber W114 and W-114F uprights? It's only the felt, right? So what is the difference between Japan Ambic felt and Royal George felt? What different properties they produce?
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#2258611 - 04/08/14 10:48 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Most piano technicians could not answer that question with any authority.

I would not let any technical jargon get in the way. Go experience as many pianos and talk with as many technicians as you can to better educate yourself.

Good luck!
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#2258654 - 04/08/14 12:15 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Well of course the best way to learn about instrument is to play it. But there also should be SOME theoretical info.
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#2258659 - 04/08/14 12:26 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Trust in the person your dealing with and musical preference of a piano are IMHO still paramount in the decision making.

Including tone modifications of the instrument, its potential and other possibilities.

I see this is what people are really interested in and that's what counts for them. For everything technical, something else can be said by someone else - and often *is*

Whats technically important and what is simply 'jargon' is a fine line.

Technical knowledge is sometimes abused to hide the more important aspect of a musical instrument: touch and tone!

The masters of technical know how still have to have a pianos that sounds *right* to their customers. It's not 'they' who are in charge to be celebrated heroes - but their customers.

Specs and technical details are fine but need to be shown in a meaningful way. They have to have a 'benefit' that can be shown or detected.

Buying a piano should not become a chemistry or physics course.

It should be the beginning of 'love' for music and an instrument which will be a long time companion for the person choosing it.

If it were otherwise, we would all own same piano.

Norbert smile


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#2258892 - 04/08/14 11:11 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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I have sold them for a few years. It is an o.k. Student piano. There are many other good choices and you need to listen and play several pianos to find the ones you like. I agree with one earlier poster who said some manufacturers hide behind lots of tech talk. You need to play them. They were not great sellers for me. Many of the other brands I sold outsold these pianos by a lot. I would say it was always touch and tone that drove customers to other instruments. They were always a little less expensive than other products but most customers preferred to pay a bit more for a better sound and touch. Once again these are not bad pianos, but in my experience and many customers of mine it was not the product of choice when they were presented with other options. Good luck with your choice.
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#2258965 - 04/09/14 04:27 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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I think a hailun, feurich or brodmann would be better actually. Young Chang pianos that I have played have ranged from the horrible to the unremarkable.

Brodmann and feurichs have ranged from the decent to the really quite good, punching above their price weight.

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#2258984 - 04/09/14 06:15 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: joe80]
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Joe, Del Fandrich redesigned the Young Chang and Weber piano lines a few years back. The redesigns were phased in between 2011 and 2013.

Were the Young Chang pianos you played the Fandrich designs, or were they the older designs?

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#2258987 - 04/09/14 06:25 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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To be honest I've no idea. There are still new young Changs floating around shop floors that are cracking on a bit in years now - some maybe ten years old. I know of one unsold young chang that has been in storage in a shop since 1994!

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#2258994 - 04/09/14 06:47 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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I wonder about the components in these cheaper pianos, how much plastic is used in place of wood etc. If i had that kind of money I'd rather spend it on a used piano from a more established make.


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#2259150 - 04/09/14 01:47 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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The Webers are a good deal more mellow than the YC pianos, at least in the grand, which is where I recently concentrated my efforts.

Shoot me, but I actually preferred the new YC tone. Either piano represents good value. I thought the Y-175 represented the best combination of size, price and musicality...but that's just me.

Either piano line would be a fine addition to one's home.
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#2261443 - 04/14/14 07:59 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Thank you all for your replys.
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#2261484 - 04/14/14 09:46 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Is Young Chang another example of a stencil brand?
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#2261496 - 04/14/14 10:17 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Larry,

No, Young Chang is an actual builder. It is headquartered in South Korea and has a large manufacturing facility in China. The Lyrica, sold by Schmitt Music, and the Cristofori, sold by Jordan Kitts, are stencils of Young Chang. Young Chang also builds the Weber, which many would call a 'stencil' of a very old and respected builder which is now long gone.

Larry, I think the problem you are having is that there are two uses for the term 'stencil.' One usage is that it is nothing more than the name of the "house brand." It is an attempt to create exclusivity for a given store and built by an outside company. That very same piano may be sold, under a different name, at a competitor store across town.

Another use of a stencil is when a company resurrects the name/logo of a long gone company to create the image that the company is still building pianos and that they are the same as the original. Story & Clark was once a well known American builder located in Grand Rapids, MI. It struggled along until the 1980's, with several different owners, and folded at the end of the decade. You can find new Story & Clark pianos available today, but they bear no resemblance to the traditional American S&C pianos. They are an Asian "brand" built by various companies. In this case, it is considered a 'stencil,' a decal on the fallboard, which bears no resemblance to the original designs, whatsoever.
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#2261499 - 04/14/14 10:21 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Larry,

Might I make a suggestion? It might be a good idea to purchase the most recent edition of the "A&D Piano Buyer" by Larry Fine. I would assume that they ship internationally or you might be able to get it through Amazon. It will give you a basic understanding of the general terms and how they are used in the piano market.
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#2261500 - 04/14/14 10:21 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Ok I think I get. May I use a photography analogy. Samsung make DSLRs. They are actually Pentax cameras, virtually identical, but made cheaper and a samsung badge stuck on the front.
And in the days of film cameras there were certain cheap Nikons and Olympuses etc that were actually made by Cosina and a higher end badge stuck on the front in order to sell them.


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#2261504 - 04/14/14 10:35 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Well, that one gets a bit confusing when you factor in Asahi Optical and Honeywell and who builds what. I don't know a lot about the current issues of "Pentax." If Samsung is doing nothing more than slapping their name on the camera, it would be a 'stencil.' It does get confusing when you are confronted by "built by" as opposed to "marketed by."

You can see that the whole transition from Asahi, to Hoya, to Ricoh causes a great deal of confusion. It is the same with the "brand names" of various piano builders.
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#2261523 - 04/14/14 11:33 AM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Larry,
Another use of a stencil is when a company resurrects the name/logo of a long gone company to create the image that the company is still building pianos and that they are the same as the original. Story & Clark was once a well known American builder located in Grand Rapids, MI. It struggled along until the 1980's, with several different owners, and folded at the end of the decade. You can find new Story & Clark pianos available today, but they bear no resemblance to the traditional American S&C pianos. They are an Asian "brand" built by various companies. In this case, it is considered a 'stencil,' a decal on the fallboard, which bears no resemblance to the original designs, whatsoever.


This seems to be really common practice with Chinese, Korean and previously Japanese makers. I wonder though, does it really help sell pianos? I guess readers here are more resourceful, know about Larry Fine's book, and can track down the true origins of a stencil to usually to a Chinese company, but I wonder if less resourceful piano shoppers walk into a store, see "Story and Clark" or the 100's of others, and think it's actually the original company and think they bought a piano with all this history and know-how.?
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#2261558 - 04/14/14 12:30 PM Re: Young Chang pianos? [Re: Rogas]
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Michael,

I believe that it does. It's an old marketing technique which has proven to be successful. There are many shoppers with an Auntie who just loved here 'Such&Such" and will buy on that knowledge/reference alone.
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