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#2262005 - 04/15/14 08:14 AM Klavins piano - their concert grand
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Hi all,

So we have brought up Klavins in the past. They have a cool concept in that they are known for piano installations, like you might do with an organ. In other words, the instrument is literally installed into a house like this one:





I have heard rumors for some time now of them building a 13 ft. concert grand. Does anyone know if it is actually being built? Here is a CAD rendering of the final product, which is pretty bold, IMHO. I cannot find anything else about the project though.





Thoughts? Updates? Opinions?
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#2262010 - 04/15/14 08:24 AM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Pretty cool! A bugger to tune tho!
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#2262096 - 04/15/14 12:07 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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I don't know how it sounds, but the piano in Rich's picture sure looks gorgeous! I live in an ultramodern home; my grand piano appears somewhat out of place in the house, given its traditional style (polished ebony finish and "standard" design).

I would have loved to have purchased a Bosendorfer Porsche- (or Audi-) designed grand, or one of the fabulous modern Sauter models, but they were all far too expensive for me.

It is a shame that none of the major mid-priced piano manufacturers offers any models with modern designs. I expect that there is a large enough market for at least one of them to be successful in exploiting it.
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#2262103 - 04/15/14 12:21 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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I suspect they ran out of money. Too many people have ideas for "cool" pianos, but no idea how to make them sustainable economically. They end up being dead ends.
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#2262179 - 04/15/14 02:32 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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To quote Teddy Roosevelt, from The Man In The Arena:

Quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.


I say, more power to him -- I hope he gets it built.

ddf
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#2262275 - 04/15/14 05:35 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Del]
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Originally Posted By: Del
To quote Teddy Roosevelt, from The Man In The Arena:

Quote:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.


I say, more power to him -- I hope he gets it built.

ddf


Bravo Del. Bravo.

Now if we could just help him get a few more pre-orders. I know I can put Johnathan down for one. Who is next??
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#2262308 - 04/15/14 06:43 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Del]
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Interestingly wikipedia (English version and German version) has a David KLAVINS (in Latvian: Davids KLAVINS) microsite.
"...This led to model 408, which is currently scheduled to enter production in summer 2014..."
"...In order to pursue his piano research, in 2006 he moved to Woodbridge, Connecticut. In 2011 he returned to Germany..." (unfortunately without having started to build model 408 so far)

"In October 2013 construction of model 450i has commenced. This instrument is based on the Klavins model 370 by acoustic and technological design, though it is 450cm tall (~15feet), and some significant improvements have been implemented in regard to sound quality..." (keyboard of 102 notes, C2 to f5...)

Not least his project "wear-and-tear-free-action mIII of which only the hammer heads will need to be replaced from time to time depending on the use of the piano, but none other parts will show a negative reaction under heavy usage or extreme climatic conditions" sounds promising (sort of composite action smile I guess).

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#2262311 - 04/15/14 06:49 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
iLaw Online   content
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So, what action is David Klavins going to use in the grand? Wood? Composite? Renner? WNG? I had to look it up.

Here's the link ...

Larry.

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#2262320 - 04/15/14 07:22 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Does it come with an auxiliary diesel engine for use when there is no wind?

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#2262323 - 04/15/14 07:27 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty

Does it come with an auxiliary diesel engine for use when there is no wind?



No, it doesn't, but the good news is the lid prop is made of titanium alloy and contributes to the brightness just nicely. wink

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#2262438 - 04/16/14 01:58 AM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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I went back to the website, noted that they seem to have built only one piano so far, and listened to the recording. As is often the case for odd pianos like this, it sounded odd, and not necessarily better, particularly in the bass. I think the problem is that because the bass strings are long and thin, the hammers excite them in a higher mode than the fundamental, so the fundamental is weaker than most pianos in the bass. It is like whipping a jump rope quickly so it goes to the second mode, with a node in the middle. The long, thin strings are not stiff enough to force themselves into the fundamental mode, nor are the hammers soft enough that they stay on the string long enough to get much fundamental.

Also, the light weight of the strings seem to make the bass rather weak. I suppose one could get used to it, but it is not a sound I prefer.
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#2262701 - 04/16/14 05:37 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
I went back to the website, noted that they seem to have built only one piano so far, and listened to the recording. As is often the case for odd pianos like this, it sounded odd, and not necessarily better, particularly in the bass. I think the problem is that because the bass strings are long and thin, the hammers excite them in a higher mode than the fundamental, so the fundamental is weaker than most pianos in the bass. It is like whipping a jump rope quickly so it goes to the second mode, with a node in the middle. The long, thin strings are not stiff enough to force themselves into the fundamental mode, nor are the hammers soft enough that they stay on the string long enough to get much fundamental.

Also, the light weight of the strings seem to make the bass rather weak. I suppose one could get used to it, but it is not a sound I prefer.



In addition, to expand on what you're saying, I found that some of the bass notes have a terrible sustain; A0 and D1 have it the worst. At first, I thought it was due to the end-of-bridge effect, since I first noticed that problem in the bottom note, and the bridge cuts off abruptly. Then, while playing with The Giant, I noticed D1 also wasting a lot of energy at the higher velocities, but it was not at the bridge cut-off.

I hope the revised scale and bridge of the 450i, combined with bridge agraffes, can improve upon the weaknesses of the 370.

As for the 450i, it will NOT be finished on the 30th, due to a side project a pianist requested with urgency. It should be resumed around the 30th or at the "earliest possible convenience", as the maker put it.

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#2262747 - 04/16/14 07:11 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Very impressive, but I don't want one, I don't want to go deaf eek

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#2262749 - 04/16/14 07:14 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Bigger does not necessarily mean louder. I think you are more likely to get hurt falling off it!
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#2262766 - 04/16/14 07:50 PM Re: Klavins piano - their concert grand [Re: Rich Galassini]
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If only it had pedals.
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