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#2262391 - Yesterday at 10:18 PM Just got my MP11!
Dan Clark Offline
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Registered: 10/27/12
Posts: 170
Loc: Bellevue, WA USA
That's the good news (Pic below). The features are great and the grand piano sound is excellent. But...

The bad news is that the action seems very heavy. (Yes, I know about the touch control.) The problem is that I have arthritis in my hands. Combined with the heavy action, my wrists and hands are very sore after a few sessions playing (maybe 90 minutes total).

My Casio PX-850 has a much lighter action. Also, my piano lessons are taken on one of several grand pianos including, Yamaha, Hailun, and Steinway (a couple times). I can't be sure but these seem to have much lighter actions. And when I tried a CA65 and a CA95, they didn't seem to have an action this heavy. (I could be mistaken on this.) I'm trying to like the MP11 and I'll keep going for a few more days to see if I can handle the heavy key action, but I'm very concerned about this.

IF I have to return it for another DP, what other quality DP would you recommend that is very close to a light action grand piano? Does the VPC1 have a lighter action?

Thanks and regards,

Dan.

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#2262393 - Yesterday at 10:30 PM Re: Just got my MP11! [Re: Dan Clark]
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Congrats!

The VPC is slightly heavier feeling when playing high up on the keys (in between the black keys), otherwise it's the same.

I would try out the Light or Light + setting on the Virtual Technician first. In fact, I believe the default is that you have that parameter when you turn on the instrument, it should be Knob D labeled "Touch". If you turn it to either of those two settings and try playing, I think you will notice a big difference. Really, the action is in relation to the sound you are getting, and when you get a bigger sound from less pressure, then you will play lighter. If you get a softer sound, you will play heavier in order to achieve the desired sound.

Try it out for a while, and certainly don't start with a marathon 90 minute session. wink
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#2262396 - Yesterday at 10:36 PM Re: Just got my MP11! [Re: Dan Clark]
minstrelman Offline
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Registered: 08/19/07
Posts: 238
Loc: buffalo
just want to say, in order:
tbh, jealous.... I want one......lol
really surprised. I have a CA65. I find the action at times to be perhaps a little on the light side. that said, within minutes of starting to play, I feel very very happy with the action just as it is. it is not too light, not too heavy......
I do not know another dp to recommend to you. the vpc1 has the RM3 II action: http://www.kawaius.com/main_links/digital/vpc-1/vpc-1.html
I have never played one.
I played a CA93. I think that has a similar action (I think RM3....but no II). I only played it once for a short time. I really liked it.

I hope your arthritis gets better. pain is no fun.

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#2262401 - Yesterday at 10:46 PM Re: Just got my MP11! [Re: Dan Clark]
kippesc Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 394
Loc: United States
The Roland RD-700NX has a light action (maybe too light), a bit lighter than my Steinway. Nonetheless, I generally find that Morodiene's comment is true. I'd think you could fiddle with the touch curve and get where you need to be. I love the Kawai DPs. Hopefully, you'll get yours to work for you.

It's possible the banquet table is part of the problem. I've got one of those very tables. I'd think it'd flex a bit while playing.


Edited by kippesc (Yesterday at 10:49 PM)
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#2262416 - Yesterday at 11:51 PM Re: Just got my MP11! [Re: Dan Clark]
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 3474
Loc: Pennsylvania
Most people who have played both feel that the GF action in your MP11 feels lighter than the RM3-II in the VPC1. I have the predecessor with Kawai's closely related AWA-Pro action and it's quite heavy. If GF is unsuitable, even after turning up the volume and/or adjusting touch curves, I think you should move away from Kawai.

Roland's actions are often considered lighter (at least, PHAIII...PHAIV is apparently a bit heavier) but by no means low impact. Personally I don't fine them very satisfying, but your hands may have difference preferences and expectations.

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#2262458 - 3 minutes 52 seconds ago Re: Just got my MP11! [Re: Morodiene]
Digitalguy Online   content
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Registered: 02/04/14
Posts: 205
Loc: Switzerland
Originally Posted By: Morodiene

The VPC is slightly heavier feeling when playing high up on the keys (in between the black keys), otherwise it's the same.


Well, that's probably good news for me then... I had always thought GF was clearly lighter than RM3(II). If that's the only difference it means it's heavier only on ff/fff (that's at least when I mainly use that part of the key).
Contrary to Dan, I tend to prefer heavier actions, probably because I learnt to play on my mother's baby grand and that's probably my standard. I have tried PHAIII and find it too light, I have also tried the ES7 and find it too light too. I have settled on the Ivory feel G, which feels the closest to my "standard" and I am pretty happy with it, but RM3 and GF are virtually unanimously considered clearly superior, but I haven't found a shop that sells them not too far (several hours of driving) from where I live.
Can someone tell me how RM3 and GF compare to RH2 (ES7 and MP7 I think), especially with regards to heaviness? If you have also tried PHAIII and Ivory feel G in addition to that, that would be even more interesting...
Thanks!
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#2262460 - 1 minute 31 seconds ago Re: Just got my MP11! [Re: Dan Clark]
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Registered: 03/12/12
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I would not call Grand piano action light. Some of them are lighter, some of them heavier. I would say differencies regarding action and sound in acoustic pianos are even bigger than in digital pianos.
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