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#2262717 - 04/16/14 06:11 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
@bennevis
You never really have a point in your posts; it's just "words, words, words" fueled by obvious frustration (even here, still).


The pot calling the kettle black? (No, you probably haven't heard that before either, like so much else).

You're an orator now, speaking out to the masses to try to get them on your side, still trying to justify your existence on this forum? grin

If I may be so bold, try Shakespeare's immortal opening words for Mark Antony: "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!" (It helps to have the Bard on your side too wink ).

Actually, I don't know why I'm now also giving you an education in English literature, as well as in biochemistry and in medicine. It's probably because of my altruistic and generous nature......... grin

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#2262719 - 04/16/14 06:20 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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Atrys...I before thought you were proud and perhaps a little narrow-minded, but I now worry that you're perhaps cruel or, at the least, too obnoxious to understand how cruel you may be being. I mean, um, you have *no* idea what the OP's life is like; s/he may have hypochondria and, yes, some people *do* overreact to medical advice to the extent that they cause themselves grave harm. Having been witness to such fatal emergencies first hand, I can assure you that they're very real concerns. I don't mean to patronise you, but, um, I see frequently the notions "as a nation, we need to eat less", "the average person in this country consumes more than 300 calories per day than they need to"...sure, as general rules, they work out. But to anorexics everywhere this is anathema to health, it is the *worst* kind of social pressure; one backed by poor wording, ignorance and good intent. *Sigh* I've not yet seen you concede a point on this site, at least not one in anything other than retort. Um...at least...I won't tell you how to live your life; you're clearly quite a contentious person and I'm sure that's worked out very well for you. And here I find it important to note that I assume the OP is perfectly rational and capable enough of sifting through ideas that don't apply...but...not everyone can, dear. So when I say "at least" I don't expect much more, but *at least* consider the fact that you *could* be wrong; person A believes B, person C believes D. Which one is right? The one that shouts the loudest? Something to consider...I hope wink Um...I wish you well...if you read this, of course wink Assuming you have....well, I'd expect you to treat this with the bravado you treat everything. But I sincerely hope that underneath that bravado is at least small shred of doubt or concern. Um...you're not perfect. I'm not perfect. Bach wasn't perfect and nor was Gould; we all have ways in which we can improve. It's a sign of maturity, I believe, to recognise what we're incapable of and to admit fault. It's only in recognising our flaws that we discover the room to flourish. As for the OP, who clearly stated in the initial post that s/he had *already* seeked qualified, medical counsel, if a proper doctor who has access to your actual hands, who specialises in problems such as these and makes their living from this, well, um, what hope do we have? wink Seriously though, all you need to consider is all the things (and yes, *all* the things; nutrition, *stress* {which has some of the widest and bizarre range of symptoms of any condition thus-far discovered}, other psychological problems, neurological problems, technique related problems, emotional disturbances you name it laugh ) that your doctor wouldn't have...then try and see which one makes the most sense to you and, if possible, find a specialist in that field. Um...of course, it's not *every* problem, it's likely one small, correctable problem and I would try not to worry. Of course, trying to relax is a paradox, but trying not to worry is quite possible. It'll just take a bit of work before you get there is all; don't lose faith wink For my two internet-pence worth (exchange-rate uncertain), I'd venture that it's interesting you've not stated fatigue with respect to anything other than piano. I mean, um, I might be jumping the gun and you may have simply been trying to be concise...but does it affect other aspects of your life? Have you tried sewing, or extended origami sessions? It may sound strange, of course laugh But it may give you a better idea of exactly *where*, when and why the fatigue occurs. Sometimes our bodies don't mind us doing what we think our bodies don't like; it's merely our perception of things that has to change. I can't guarantee this is the case for you, of course, that would be ridiculous...but I'd consider it. At the least, a fresh view on the world can be nice from time to time, even if it doesn't help anything... frown ? laugh I hope your problem resolves itself in a nice way...I have no doubt that it *will* be resolved though. Best of luck! <3
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#2262723 - 04/16/14 06:28 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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@bennevis
At least you're trying to hold back your rage this time wink I'll give you that much.

Yet, still, you have no proposition, you do not attack a proposition, and you commit yourself to fallacy. Your posts are literally meaningless, so I suppose there's nothing for me to say on that point wink

The least I can do here is to make others aware that you do not offer sound advice, as it is unfounded. You can PM me if you'd like some recommendations on material for you to study so that you can begin offering actual advice to those who seek it. Until you take it upon yourself to correct your understanding, your posts are meaningless.

@FSO
I'm not reading that giant wall of unorganized, inconsiderate text. I'm actually hoping that one day you start taking the reader into account; I'm sure there is something to be drawn from your...rants...if you were to just structure them like a thinking person.


Edited by Atrys (04/16/14 06:29 PM)
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#2262724 - 04/16/14 06:33 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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adanepst, I believe bennevis's advice is sound. I've talked to more than one doctor about the current fad of drinking copious amounts of water all day, and they say it's unnecessary, and could be outright dangerous if the person is elderly, and has certain heart and/or kidney conditions. The biggest beneficiary of constant water drinking is the bottled water industry.

They also gave me exactly the same advice that bennevis did: Drink when you're thirsty, or if your urine appears darker than normal. And when you drink, make sure the fluid does not contain alcohol or caffeine, since these have a diuretic effect.

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#2262726 - 04/16/14 06:37 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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Hello Adanepst, sorry you're having this problem.

I often experience tension as either fatigue or "difficulty", as in I have difficulty getting to notes, the reason being that the muscles are working against one another and making it hard to move. Relaxing helps. So do incredibly simple exercises like Pischna #1 (played VERY Lento) or the early pieces in Czerny Op. 139 or even just a slow scale, with attention to total relaxation in the non-playing fingers.

I have no idea if your problem is similar at all, but playing simple things slowly with very thoughtful attention to relaxation is always useful.

Since you identified your problem as beginning with those Brahms exercises, I would throw them away, not because they're bad (they're not bad) but because they were linked to the development of a problem and it's usually easier to start fresh with other exercises than to relearn old exercises with new technique.
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#2262727 - 04/16/14 06:38 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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Atrys darling...better to be considered an idiot and stutter an incomprehensible truth in company, than to hold one's self so high that there are none to hear their well-versed lie. Um...I've stated before why I type as I type. Believe it or not, it *has* come up. I take the reader into account and will always apologise for any difficulty they may encounter in reading my words; will you make the same sacrifice?
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#2262728 - 04/16/14 06:38 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
@FSO
I'm not reading that giant wall of unorganized, inconsiderate text. ... I'm sure there is something to be drawn from your...rants...
There certainly is! I picked a bit out for you so that you didn't have to read the whole page:
Originally Posted By: FSO
*at least* consider the fact that you *could* be wrong
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#2262729 - 04/16/14 06:39 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Drink when you're thirsty

This is incomplete. If one is feeling thirsty, it's already too late. The whole point is to avoid the feeling of thirst. It follows that one should be drinking water regularly to keep fluid levels up.
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#2262731 - 04/16/14 06:45 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: FSO]
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Originally Posted By: FSO
Atrys darling...

2hearts

Originally Posted By: FSO

better to be considered an idiot and stutter an incomprehensible truth in company, than to hold one's self so high that there are none to hear their well-versed lie.

This assertion is based on false assumptions. It's effectively a null statement.

Originally Posted By: FSO

I take the reader into account

No, you do not. You may think you do, but you really do not act upon this. You consistently post walls of shear rants without any consideration for the reader that is acted upon. It's really a shame, since others have claimed you have "seminar" caliber thoughts, which is a ridiculous claim to make on behalf of someone that does not even organize written language.
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#2262732 - 04/16/14 06:45 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
Originally Posted By: Old Man
Drink when you're thirsty

This is incomplete. If one is feeling thirsty, it's already too late. The whole point is to avoid the feeling of thirst. It follows that one should be drinking water regularly to keep fluid levels up.

Wrong. The purpose of the thirst mechanism is to signal that water is needed. If the goal is to never feel thirsty, then we should all run around with IV lines attached to bags of D5W, so we never have to worry about hydration.

Also, I don't understand what you mean "too late". Too late for what? Am I about to die? Don't think so. I simply need a glass of water.

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#2262733 - 04/16/14 06:48 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Old Man]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man

Wrong. The purpose of the thirst mechanism is to signal that water is needed.

Exactly! You've contradicted yourself, Old Man. The logic is simple, I'm sure you can find the line and follow it if you try.

Originally Posted By: Old Man

If the goal is to never feel thirsty, then we should all run around with IV lines attached to bags of D5W, so we never have to worry about hydration.

What a ridiculous thing to say. That's clearly not true.
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#2262734 - 04/16/14 06:48 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys

Yet, still, you have no proposition, you do not attack a proposition, and you commit yourself to fallacy. Your posts are literally meaningless, so I suppose there's nothing for me to say on that point wink

The least I can do here is to make others aware that you do not offer sound advice, as it is unfounded. You can PM me if you'd like some recommendations on material for you to study so that you can begin offering actual advice to those who seek it. Until you take it upon yourself to correct your understanding, your posts are meaningless.


Wow, you really are a hopeless case.

You really have no insight, or even self-awareness. Like an infant, in fact. (Children have no real self-awareness until they are about 18 months old - another medical fact for your delectation, in case you're interested).

BTW, how many piano teachers have you got rid of now (or, more likely, they got rid of you grin), since your first post here where you blithely told us that your teacher was 'learning' from you?

Do you seriously think that anyone here has anything to learn from you? Or are you really so self-deluded, with your massive ego?

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#2262736 - 04/16/14 06:53 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis

Wow, you really are a hopeless case.

You really have no insight, or even self-awareness. Like an infant, in fact. (Children have no real self-awareness until they are about 18 months old - another medical fact for your delectation, in case you're interested).

BTW, how many piano teachers have you got rid of now (or, more likely, they got rid of you grin), since your first post here where you blithely told us that your teacher was 'learning' from you?

Do you seriously think that anyone here has anything to learn from you? Or are you really so self-deluded, with your massive ego?

The rage is back laugh

You do not make any propositions, you do not attack any propositions, and commit yourself to fallacy by attacking the person. This method of discourse must be deeply ingrained in your psyche if you can't even realize you're doing it. Try to avoid getting so emotional kiddo! You are not strong in logic, but that doesn't mean you have to get all worked up over it.

I would suggest studying up on propositional logic and discreet mathematics topics (set theory is always helpful). You have some serious logical gaps, mate.


Edited by Atrys (04/16/14 06:54 PM)
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#2262737 - 04/16/14 06:55 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
You're a danger to people.


Have you really read and thought about what you're saying? I don't know how hard any of you all practice, but hyponatremia is usually the result of extreme physical activity (e.g. marathons) coupled with drinking way too much water--leaving the victim with a dangerous electrolyte imbalance. I don't believe anyone suggested the OP should drink 4 liters of water per hour, which is the level of water we're talking about. (Svenno also said this above... apparently we googled the same page)

To adanepst (the OP): how much are you practicing per day? I apologize if you already said this somewhere. I knew someone once who was practicing/rehearsing/performing about 8-10 hours per day and he described a similar feeling. He was a full-time professional pianist in his 40s at the time, so it's not like he was an undergrad cramming for juries. It was a short-term situation, and after about 4 weeks he was able to cut back to a more civilized piano regimen of ~4 hours a day. He felt fine after that, but I think it was also a wake-up call for him.

Is it possible you're simply practicing too much? Maybe you need to examine how efficiently you're working. Some people just can't do 8 hour days at the piano on a consistent basis and not suffer from it. Unless you're a REALLY vigorous practicer, I'd be surprised if your fatigue is the result of dehydration or electrolyte imbalance.
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#2262739 - 04/16/14 07:00 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
...on behalf of someone that does not even organize written language....You do not make any propositions, you do not attack any propositions, and commit yourself to fallacy by attacking the person....
They said the same of Joyce and Bernhard wink And for your burgeoning education, it's called poetry, dear; one day you may recognise the value in it and I hope you shall, for you'll be all the richer for the experience...I'll leave your own words to stir themselves. Currawong...I feel I have to say that I'm genuinely touched that you read one of my "shear rants" (they're very wooly). I know you struggle with my formatting more than most, I'd wager. Um...it really means a lot to know that, sure, you won't read everything that I plop out...but that you may still try yet means more to me than society permits me to express smile You have class, I'll grant you that much.
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#2262740 - 04/16/14 07:04 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Old Man
Drink when you're thirsty

This is incomplete. If one is feeling thirsty, it's already too late. The whole point is to avoid the feeling of thirst. It follows that one should be drinking water regularly to keep fluid levels up.

Old Man has got it right.

Atrys, you've Googled the wrong website (belonging to a bottled water company, probably) - for the umpteenth time.

Or else you're about twenty years behind the times, when such 'advice' (especially in lifestyle magazines) was all the rage. BTW, the corollary, that one should be snacking regularly to keep blood glucose levels up, has contributed to the current obesity and Type 2 diabetes epidermic.

More medical facts for your continuing education. grin

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#2262741 - 04/16/14 07:09 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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And Atrys is the one who goes around accusing people of having superiority complexes. grin
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#2262744 - 04/16/14 07:10 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis

Atrys, you've Googled the wrong website (belonging to a bottled water company, probably) - for the umpteenth time.

Or else you're about twenty years behind the times, when such 'advice' (especially in lifestyle magazines) was all the rage. BTW, the corollary, that one should be snacking regularly to keep blood glucose levels, has contributed to the current obesity epidermic.

More medical facts for your continuing education. grin

More logical fallacies, yay! Is it a hobby of yours to practice these fallacies? It certainly seems so. You are really, truly, not skilled at discourse or assertions. This fact says so much about how you think (protip: it's not coherent).

You know, it's never too late to back to university and take courses on logic (even health sciences!). It's good for the brain. Actually, you can even access the material on the internet, you just won't be assessed on it so it's difficult to enforce an understanding (which you've nicely demonstrated for us with your spreading of misinformation smile ).
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#2262745 - 04/16/14 07:10 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: TimV]
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Originally Posted By: TimV
Originally Posted By: bennevis
You're a danger to people.


Have you really read and thought about what you're saying? I don't know how hard any of you all practice, but hyponatremia is usually the result of extreme physical activity (e.g. marathons) coupled with drinking way too much water--leaving the victim with a dangerous electrolyte imbalance.

TimV, have you actually read all my posts here?

You've missed something, which FSO has also pointed out.

BTW, I didn't Google prior to posting, unlike you and Svenno. I know of what I write.

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#2262750 - 04/16/14 07:15 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
I know of what I write.

Haha! Clearly not. Spreading misinformation is not "knowing". You've gone far past the line of absurdity laugh


Edited by Atrys (04/16/14 07:15 PM)
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#2262751 - 04/16/14 07:17 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
I can feel another Atrys flame war coming on.

Your limbic system must be dysfunctional thumb

Now that I have been shown to be quite correct in my prediction, perhaps we can consider the possibility that I'm not the one with the dysfunctional limbic system.
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#2262752 - 04/16/14 07:17 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis

Atrys, you've Googled the wrong website (belonging to a bottled water company, probably) - for the umpteenth time.

Or else you're about twenty years behind the times, when such 'advice' (especially in lifestyle magazines) was all the rage. BTW, the corollary, that one should be snacking regularly to keep blood glucose levels, has contributed to the current obesity epidermic.

More medical facts for your continuing education. grin

More logical fallacies, yay! Is it a hobby of yours to practice these fallacies? It certainly seems so. You are really, truly, not skilled at discourse or assertions. This fact says so much about how you think (protip: it's not coherent).

You know, it's never too late to back to university and take courses on logic (even health sciences!). It's good for the brain. Actually, you can even access the material on the internet, you just won't be assessed on it so it's difficult to enforce an understanding (which you've nicely demonstrated for us with your spreading of misinformation smile ).


You remind me now of a movie where the hero (or fall guy, I can't remember which), believes that if he keeps repeating something often enough, it will miraculously become true.

You're beginning to sound like a parrot grin.

Try a more intelligent creature instead, like a dolphin. (They squeak wink ).

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#2262754 - 04/16/14 07:21 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: FSO]
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Originally Posted By: FSO
Currawong...I feel I have to say that I'm genuinely touched that you read one of my "shear rants" (they're very wooly). I know you struggle with my formatting more than most, I'd wager. Um...it really means a lot to know that, sure, you won't read everything that I plop out...but that you may still try yet means more to me than society permits me to express smile You have class, I'll grant you that much.
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Ta, love. smile I've worked out a few strategies for coping - I won't tell Atrys what they are, lest he read your posts and find out what you think of him! laugh
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#2262755 - 04/16/14 07:22 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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@bennevis
More fallacies! You are effectively saying nothing ha

You are clearly not thinking before you write your posts. A thinking person cannot commit themselves to fallacy in the way that you do. Maybe it's just your lack of understanding of material that's causing some cognitive dissonance.

I'll remind you that you actually believe "strong fingers" are important. This speaks for itself; you are not a thinking person.
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#2262758 - 04/16/14 07:24 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Polyphonist]
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Now that I have been shown to be quite correct in my prediction

Poly, dear boy, this was a bennevis flame war. He is the only one acting out of frustration and rage instead of remaining civil and objective in the discourse.
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#2262759 - 04/16/14 07:39 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Atrys, I understand your frustration, I really do wink .

To be out-manoeuvred at every turn by several people - yes, it's hard to bear, for someone with your gigantic ego. "It's monumental!" (as David Helfgott's piano professor said of Rach 3 in the movie 'Shine' - there, I'm educating you yet again thumb).

So, for your ego's sake, I concede defeat. You can have the last word.

It's bedtime here, but you can go on with your flame war against Poly, FSO, Old Man et al. I might catch up on proceedings in the morning.......

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#2262765 - 04/16/14 07:50 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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You've done it yet again! I could have foretold that wink

Your approach to civil argument is like that of a pre-pubescent boy: naive and not understanding. You get really emotional too, which says a lot.

Next time you try and offer advice to those who seek it, it helps to actually know what you're talking about (and how to formulate that into a proposition for advice). You failed to do so. Like I said, I'm glad that the things you assert are so off the mark that a thinking person would never take you seriously.

If OP is still with us, be aware that bennevis does not operate according to reason, but instead according to his own, deranged perception of understanding.
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#2262769 - 04/16/14 07:54 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: adanepst]
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The lady doth protests too much, methinks.
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#2262775 - 04/16/14 08:12 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Now that I have been shown to be quite correct in my prediction

Poly, dear boy, (...)

If it weren't for this kind of attitude, I think more of us would put up with you.

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#2262788 - 04/16/14 08:40 PM Re: Tired Fingers [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
If OP is still with us...

Oh, I'm sure he's still with us, but I doubt he's with you. grin
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