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#2262865 - 04/17/14 01:26 AM Theme identification
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This waltz has been going through my head recently, and I can't remember what it is or where I heard it. I'm thinking it must be Tchaikovsky. Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks in advance.

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#2262877 - 04/17/14 02:01 AM Re: Theme identification [Re: Polyphonist]
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Swan Lake, Op 20. Black Swan Pas de Deux:



Edited by TwoSnowflakes (04/17/14 02:05 AM)
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#2262882 - 04/17/14 02:05 AM Re: Theme identification [Re: Polyphonist]
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Brilliant, thank you. This is going on my list to play.
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#2262893 - 04/17/14 02:33 AM Re: Theme identification [Re: Polyphonist]
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You're welcome. You probably couldn't find it because it is never referred to as a waltz, though of course it is one.

If you're looking for music, I believe the score and staging were extensively changed at one point, but very early on. I think anything from the original manuscript (1870s) puts this piece in Act I, but then it was moved to Act III in the 1890s when the ballet took its most common choreographic form and then it stayed that way.

Possibly originally called "Pas de Deux for Two Merrymakers" or something like that.

But now it's the Grand Pas de Deux in Act III, and danced by the Black Swan, so it's just basically known as the Black Swan Pas de Deux.

Anyway, just a heads up.

Also, behold the glory that is Svetlana Zakharova.
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#2262894 - 04/17/14 02:35 AM Re: Theme identification [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
Also, behold the glory that is Svetlana Zakharova.

Huh?

I much prefer this waltz the way I am going to play it - a solo piano piece, much faster and more lively. Not too keen on the ballet version. Sorry, Tchaikovsky. grin
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#2262899 - 04/17/14 02:46 AM Re: Theme identification [Re: Polyphonist]
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LOL, that's why I'm suggesting you look it up in its original form. Because the ballet version doesn't stick too long with the theme you like. I'm not sure if the original one would be more extensive but it very well might be given its placement and there are plenty of piano transcriptions of everything from Swan Lake, including from soon after its release.

Debussy arranged it for four hands, it appears, if you tire of solo.

Anyway, whether or not it advances the ball for you in terms of finding what to play, Zakharova is glorious. A bit of a non sequitur, sure, but it bore mention. smile
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#2262984 - 04/17/14 09:29 AM Re: Theme identification [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
...Also, behold the glory that is Svetlana Zakharova.


Wow! She is amazing!

Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

I much prefer this waltz the way I am going to play it - a solo piano piece, much faster and more lively. Not too keen on the ballet version. Sorry, Tchaikovsky. grin


As to this point--years ago our local ballet company included Swan Lake, Sleeping Beauty and of course the Nutcracker in a single season which they billed as something like Season of Magic and Mystery. To my mind it was simply the Season of Too Much Tchaikovsky.
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#2263010 - 04/17/14 10:30 AM Re: Theme identification [Re: malkin]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
...Also, behold the glory that is Svetlana Zakharova.


Wow! She is amazing!

Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

I much prefer this waltz the way I am going to play it - a solo piano piece, much faster and more lively. Not too keen on the ballet version. Sorry, Tchaikovsky. grin


As to this point--years ago our local ballet company included Swan Lake, Sleeping Beauty and of course the Nutcracker in a single season which they billed as something like Season of Magic and Mystery. To my mind it was simply the Season of Too Much Tchaikovsky.


After Nutcracker season is over (and this past year, both my daughters danced in a local production), I often feel as if it's already too much Tchaikovsky.

During Nutcracker rehearsals this past year, I had to stop by a dancewear store for something. Playing in the background was Nutcracker on a loop, and working there was a local professional dancer, who was also dancing the same production of Nutcracker that year as Sugar Plum Fairy. I asked her how she could stand it: hours of rehearsal with the same music, and then come to her other job and listen to the same music on a 90 minute loop. Over, and over, and over again.

"No, I don't really hear it anymore. And after Nutcracker season, we'll change it to Swan Lake."

Of course, the dance joke is that most dancers are incredibly good at tuning out the music. Not me, though. My problem is that I'm incredibly prone to tuning out the dancing to listen to the music.

Just not for Nutcracker.
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