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#2263643 - 04/18/14 04:33 PM 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns?
Ben Ther Offline
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Hi all, new here to the forum and piano playing. i'm a singer and i'm learning to play accompaniment for my singing. im a song leader at church.we sing out of old hymnals. some of the songs are in 6/8. im having a hard time finding chord patterns to practice with.i don't read music well,so i'm learning chord patterns. i can find many 3/4 patterns to learn. i was wondering if it would be alright to take 2 measures of a 3/4 pattern and just play them like 6/8. i have all ready read a lot about different time signatures.so i don't want to get into a big music theory debate. i'm just looking for 6/8 patterns.

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#2263652 - 04/18/14 04:42 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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What do you mean by chord patterns?
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#2263659 - 04/18/14 04:55 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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I think it would be fine. I've played old traditional music for years, and we often trade 3/4 and 6/8 accompaniments depending on how we want the tune to sound. At least they'll give you a starting point, and then if there's something you don't like you can use it as a base and experiment with some variations.

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#2263696 - 04/18/14 06:05 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
What do you mean by chord patterns?


Poly check out this site,

http://www.mypianoworld.com/MyPianoWorldCompPatterns/accompanimentpatterns.htm

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#2263726 - 04/18/14 07:01 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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So it's a basic improvisation on a chord that you repeat over and over using a different chord each time?
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#2263735 - 04/18/14 07:14 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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@Polyphonist , yes. what you play when using a fake book or lead sheet.

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#2263737 - 04/18/14 07:15 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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I see. And why couldn't you do it in 6/8?
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#2263749 - 04/18/14 07:35 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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i can't find any patterns on the web or books that seem to have 6/8 expamples to learn from. i just thought i could modify some 3/4 time patterns a little by making 1 measure from 2 measures.

look at this example

http://truefire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3750&d=1335808552

like playing the first measure twice to create one measure

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#2263752 - 04/18/14 07:38 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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You could create your own for 6/8.
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#2263763 - 04/18/14 08:02 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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Not that skilled of a player yet

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#2263764 - 04/18/14 08:03 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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You could use a 2/4 one that employs triplets.
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#2263767 - 04/18/14 08:07 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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Sorry I butted in to this conversation smile

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#2263819 - 04/18/14 09:14 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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Quote:
i can't find any patterns on the web or books that seem to have 6/8 expamples to learn from.


Your ears can probably work out the chord progressions on these:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldo0hjJZ8z0




Edited by Rerun (04/19/14 07:22 AM)
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#2263855 - 04/18/14 10:04 PM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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Standard chord patterns often don't work well for hymns since they tend to be written in note-for-note harmonization -- the chord can change every time the melody goes to a new note. If your playing abilities are limited and you're accompanying singing, you might be more successful if you play the written bass line and soprano (lowest and highest notes only).
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#2263894 - 04/19/14 01:11 AM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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You could also take a 4/4 chord progression and break it into two 6/8 measures. You would just be creating 2 upbeats instead of 1.

So in 4 it would be 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and

In 6/8 it would be 1-up-up-2-up-up | 3-up-up-4-up-up

That will give you the 6/8 pattern. You're mainly listening for when the chords change.
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#2263896 - 04/19/14 01:14 AM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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Yes, that's similar to what I suggested to him previously. Seems like a good way to go about it.
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#2263955 - 04/19/14 06:58 AM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Polyphonist]
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BT,

Here's another you'll know ... courtesy of your friends at PW:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBDF04fQKtQ




Edited by Rerun (04/19/14 06:59 AM)
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#2263975 - 04/19/14 08:52 AM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Ben Ther]
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Thanks every one for all the great input! any more advice is welcome!

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#2263979 - 04/19/14 08:59 AM Re: 3/4 time for 6/8 time comping patterns? [Re: Brian Lucas]
Ben Ther Offline
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Originally Posted By: Brian Lucas
You could also take a 4/4 chord progression and break it into two 6/8 measures. You would just be creating 2 upbeats instead of 1.

So in 4 it would be 1-and-2-and-3-and-4-and

In 6/8 it would be 1-up-up-2-up-up | 3-up-up-4-up-up

That will give you the 6/8 pattern. You're mainly listening for when the chords change.


Thanks man!

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