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#2264554 - Yesterday at 01:01 PM clavinova clp 115
rochoula Offline
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Registered: 04/20/14
Posts: 2
Loc: greece
hi, I am considering buying a used clp 115. The owner is asking 800 euros for it, after coming down from 900. I have looked at a 13 model (arius YDP 162 R) to buy new for 1050 euros, and like it a lot.

I used to play as a girl growing up, and have dabbled only a little over the years since. I have since moved to Europe and miss my piano. I realize that the intended use is just to practice and brushen up on my own, and eventually introduce to my children.

I can afford the new model, but don't want to splurge if I don't have to. Any suggestions? I am by no means a pianist, but I want to get a good value for my money. thanks for all feedback in advance, I appreciate it!

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#2264601 - Yesterday at 02:50 PM Re: clavinova clp 115 [Re: rochoula]
peterws Online   content
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Registered: 07/21/12
Posts: 3148
Loc: Northern England.
The CLP 115 is of 2003 vintage. It`s probably 12 years old, and won`t have any benefits over the new model you`re considering, which is a tried and trusted safe option. With the usual guarantees. I would forget it. Happy fishing!
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#2264608 - Yesterday at 03:01 PM Re: clavinova clp 115 [Re: rochoula]
MacMacMac Offline
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Registered: 09/24/09
Posts: 3672
Loc: North Carolina
Peter's right. This is an old (2003) model, and bottom of the line. Not a very good piano in any case (32 note polyphony, one-level sampling). So the price quoted is much too high.

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#2264727 - Yesterday at 08:35 PM Re: clavinova clp 115 [Re: rochoula]
Kawai James Online   content
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Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 8402
Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
Yes, I agree with Peter and Mac.

The YDP-162 is quite a nice entry-level console piano. I would also consider the Roland F20 and Kawai KDP90/CN14 or CN24.

If you do not require a furniture style 'console' digital piano, you may also wish to consider a portable instrument such as the Casio PX-150, Yamaha P105, or Kawai ES100/ES7.

Kind regards,
James
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"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#2264828 - Today at 04:14 AM Re: clavinova clp 115 [Re: rochoula]
rochoula Offline
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Registered: 04/20/14
Posts: 2
Loc: greece
thanks for the feedback so far. A few questions after reading all these forums.

I see the word "longevity" used more than once-how long do these last if maintained properly?

Also, for a basic user who really only wants it to practice, can someone explain to me what the 32 polyphony means? And why for a basic user it is so important to have better than that?

Also, I get that 800 euros is asking too much. What would be a reasonable asking price? 400/500? or less?

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#2264838 - Today at 04:51 AM Re: clavinova clp 115 [Re: rochoula]
peterws Online   content
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Registered: 07/21/12
Posts: 3148
Loc: Northern England.
What is coming through here is you seem to be justifying the old Clav. Please bear this in mind.

New digitals are updated to higher spec, and the cheaper ones often display features undreamt of years ago. Like, a decent playing action; increased polyphony (the ability to sound several notes at once without losing any of them) and of course, recording to USB stick, not CD.

It makes little sense to buy that old Clav. The keyboard it used will have a limited life before stiffness etc sets in. Do you really want that?

Hope you make the right decision. The YDP 162 is a good choice. There are others too.
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#2264929 - 4 minutes 23 seconds ago Re: clavinova clp 115 [Re: rochoula]
Charles Cohen Online   content
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Registered: 12/26/12
Posts: 944
Loc: Richmond, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By: rochoula
thanks for the feedback so far. A few questions after reading all these forums.

I see the word "longevity" used more than once-how long do these last if maintained properly?

Also, for a basic user who really only wants it to practice, can someone explain to me what the 32 polyphony means? And why for a basic user it is so important to have better than that?

Also, I get that 800 euros is asking too much. What would be a reasonable asking price? 400/500? or less?


1. Longevity -- it is rare for someone here to say:

. . . My old digital piano is worn out, and I want a new one.

It might happen to a piano that's in a teaching studio, and is played many hours per day.

Most DP's are replaced because something new, and better, has become available.

2. Polyphony -- it's the number of notes the piano can sound _simultaneously_.

32 notes might sound like a lot. But if you hold the pedal down and start playing, you can _easily_ reach 32 notes. The piano simply stops playing the earliest notes, when the limit is reached.

If you're using "layers" -- sounding two voices, for each keystroke -- each keystroke adds 2 to the "notes-playing" count.

Most of the new DP's have polyphony of 96, or 128, or 256. That seems to be enough for almost everyone, almost all the time.

3. If the old DP has a piano tone that doesn't vary with loudness (as somebody says, above), don't buy it. The current DP's (from PX-150 and P105, and up) have "multi-samples", that get harsher (or "brighter") as you hit the key harder. That's the way an acoustic piano sounds, and it adds _a lot_ to the pleasure of playing the instrument.

A seller thinks:

. . . Well, this was really good 10 years ago, and I paid
. . . 1500 Euros for it. So it should be worth 800, now.

But 800 euros will buy you a better-sounding, better-feeling _new_ piano than the one he has.

Remember:

. . . It's not a piano. It's a computer, with a keyboard
. . . and loudspeakers.

And computers have been getting cheaper, over the years.

. Charles

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