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#2269135 - 04/30/14 03:23 PM Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help??
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HI everyone-
I feel like I'm getting close to finding my piano- Played a very nice 1995 Petrof PII 7ft 9" at a dealership the other day- Pristine condition. Loved everything about the piano, except a few small things- wanted to run these by you to see if something can hopefully be done.

1) The main thing- and I think this is just a personal preference- The tone, especially in the bass, sounds a bit "pointed" or thin if that makes sense. THe piano has great clarity and focus of tone, probably due to this thinness, but it's almost a bit too much for me. In fact, to my ears, the treble range could probably also benefit from a slightly more rounded tone, though it is definitely more noticeable in the bass. My question is, can this be done with either voicing, reshaping hammers, even changing strings? Maybe the hammers have simply hardened over the years? Could the bass bridge be loose? I thought maybe it's just Petrof, but I compared the tone to a 9ft Petrof right across from it (already sold but still in the shop)- I know the sizes are different, but I could definitely hear that the tone in the bass notes on the 9ft were more "round". I guess I'm hoping that something can be done, and it's not serious, like perhaps the crown is gone... (I will have a tech examine for that.)

More info to help you here:
The piano does have the QRS record and playback system installed, along with a mute rail. I've heard somewhere that the presence of a mute rail can affect the tone or sustain- is that true? Could this be a factor?

2) I noticed that in the bass, certain notes had less sustain than others- for example- F#2 and Db3 seemed like the sustain died down quicker than when I played other notes around them. I don't know what would cause this.

3) The highest 2 octaves were especially bright- I'm guessing that voicing can positively alter this?

4) When I played very loudly on the piano in conjunction with using the sustain pedal, sometimes I would get a metallic sound out of some of the notes- the salesperson said perhaps the strings need to be leveled- does this sound right?

Thanks! Any suggestions / advice here would be greatly appreciated.


Edited by phrygian (04/30/14 06:03 PM)

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#2269156 - 04/30/14 04:13 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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It sounds to me like 1) and 3) and 4) are likely voicing issues. 2) could be a damper that's out of alignment (touching the string slightly even when raised). String leveling would be another possible explanation for 2) and 4).

When you refer to a mute rail, are you referring to strip of felt that comes between the hammers and the strings? I don't know that I've ever seen that on a grand. On an upright, it should not affect the tone provided it is installed properly.

Is the piano new? Also, it goes without saying that the best option is to have a piano tech that you trust come look at the piano with you, specifically to investigate these concerns.
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#2269158 - 04/30/14 04:20 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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As you hear often around here, before signing anything have another tech evaluate it and have certain issues address before purchase. My experience with Petrof is that they have a tendency to be a little harder in tone. It sounds as if this may be a used instrument. Certainly the condition of the hammers and the regulation is everything, and needs to be evaluated prior to discerning any tonal issue. It is a bit unfair comparing a 9' to it as the scale, especially in the bass, is different. With work I've seen larger Petrof's turn in to decent instruments. Any perceived sustain issues can result to regulation issues or damper regulation. The mute rail will only affect tone when engaged... much like the practice pedal (felt mute rail) of console pianos.

Treble brightness can be tamed.

Extraneous noises can be from a multitude of things, not necessarily related to strings being level.

Again a good tech to evaluate is absolutely essential.
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#2269185 - 04/30/14 05:39 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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As with any piano which is nearly 20 years old, all of your concerns should be discussed with a competent and qualified technician who is completely independent of the store. This is shortly after the fall of the Soviet era and there can be wide variance in quality. Again, a detailed inspection is essential.

Find out which action is in the piano. It could be Petrof built, Detoa, or Petrof/Renner. Hidden problems can lurk and the actions, or action parts, which were built during the Soviet era should be avoided.

By the early to mid 2000's, the Petrofs became fine instruments. Judgment needs to made in reference to the time period. Remember, the Estonias from the same era are nothing like we think of today.
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#2269194 - 04/30/14 05:51 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
As with any piano which is nearly 20 years old, all of your concerns should be discussed with a competent and qualified technician who is completely independent of the store. This is shortly after the fall of the Soviet era and there can be wide variance in quality. Again, a detailed inspection is essential.

Find out which action is in the piano. It could be Petrof built, Detoa, or Petrof/Renner. Hidden problems can lurk and the actions, or action parts, which were built during the Soviet era should be avoided.

By the early to mid 2000's, the Petrofs became fine instruments. Judgment needs to made in reference to the time period. Remember, the Estonias from the same era are nothing like we think of today.


Thanks Marty-
I will find out which action- I believe the salesperson said Renner but I will confirm with a tech.
I know earlier Petrof's have their problems, but I thought (or at least am hoping!) 1995 is a late enough model. Is 1995 still a questionable year?

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#2269200 - 04/30/14 05:58 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: SMHaley]
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Originally Posted By: SMHaley
It sounds as if this may be a used instrument.

Thanks for the feedback SM- yes, it is a 1995

Originally Posted By: SMHaley

The mute rail will only affect tone when engaged... much like the practice pedal (felt mute rail) of console pianos.

I may be using the wrong terminology- it is the metal rail that runs under the strings and just above the hammers that can be adjusted so that you can play the piano keys but the hammers won't strike the strings- I think it's called something like "silent play"??

Originally Posted By: SMHaley

Any perceived sustain issues can result to regulation issues or damper regulation.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean- can you expand on this?


Edited by phrygian (04/30/14 05:59 PM)

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#2269201 - 04/30/14 06:02 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: BenP]
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Originally Posted By: BenP
It sounds to me like 1) and 3) and 4) are likely voicing issues. 2) could be a damper that's out of alignment (touching the string slightly even when raised). String leveling would be another possible explanation for 2) and 4).

Awesome, that's what I'm hoping- hoping it's not something more "serious" that can't be remedied like a loss of crown or something... I'll have a tech examine for sure

Originally Posted By: BenP

When you refer to a mute rail, are you referring to strip of felt that comes between the hammers and the strings? I don't know that I've ever seen that on a grand. On an upright, it should not affect the tone provided it is installed properly.

I might not be using the right term- it's the metal rail that's just above the hammers that, when activated, keeps the hammers from striking the strings so that you can still play the piano using headphones

Originally Posted By: BenP

Is the piano new? Also, it goes without saying that the best option is to have a piano tech that you trust come look at the piano with you, specifically to investigate these concerns.

The piano is actually a 1995

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#2269208 - 04/30/14 06:20 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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Originally Posted By: phrygian
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
As with any piano which is nearly 20 years old, all of your concerns should be discussed with a competent and qualified technician who is completely independent of the store. This is shortly after the fall of the Soviet era and there can be wide variance in quality. Again, a detailed inspection is essential.

Find out which action is in the piano. It could be Petrof built, Detoa, or Petrof/Renner. Hidden problems can lurk and the actions, or action parts, which were built during the Soviet era should be avoided.

By the early to mid 2000's, the Petrofs became fine instruments. Judgment needs to made in reference to the time period. Remember, the Estonias from the same era are nothing like we think of today.


Thanks Marty-
I will find out which action- I believe the salesperson said Renner but I will confirm with a tech.
I know earlier Petrof's have their problems, but I thought (or at least am hoping!) 1995 is a late enough model. Is 1995 still a questionable year?

I would certainly examine the piano very closely, even things like how the legs are attached. Remember, the USSR collapsed in 1991 and that is a very short time for a turn-around and full rebirth.
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#2269209 - 04/30/14 06:23 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted By: phrygian
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
As with any piano which is nearly 20 years old, all of your concerns should be discussed with a competent and qualified technician who is completely independent of the store. This is shortly after the fall of the Soviet era and there can be wide variance in quality. Again, a detailed inspection is essential.

Find out which action is in the piano. It could be Petrof built, Detoa, or Petrof/Renner. Hidden problems can lurk and the actions, or action parts, which were built during the Soviet era should be avoided.

By the early to mid 2000's, the Petrofs became fine instruments. Judgment needs to made in reference to the time period. Remember, the Estonias from the same era are nothing like we think of today.


Thanks Marty-
I will find out which action- I believe the salesperson said Renner but I will confirm with a tech.
I know earlier Petrof's have their problems, but I thought (or at least am hoping!) 1995 is a late enough model. Is 1995 still a questionable year?

I would certainly examine the piano very closely, even things like how the legs are attached. Remember, the USSR collapsed in 1991 and that is a very short time for a turn-around and full rebirth.

Ok thanks

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#2269232 - 04/30/14 06:57 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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Different makes went about the details a little differently, but yes silent touch/mute in effect stops the hammers. Apparently this one is fully equipped for midi and a tone generator. Since it is a player with some years on it, barring quality issues mentioned by Marty, its probably due for work... Perhaps new hammers and other things. It again get and independent tech evaluation.

Truly, we can speculate til the cows come home.
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#2269306 - 04/30/14 09:51 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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There is a certain thinness to these pianos sound that I have never liked. Changing hammers will not eliminate this. Voicing will not eliminate this. It is caused by structural issues and materials.

It can be masked by lighter, softer hammers-but if the thin tone grates on you-keep looking for a piano that doesn't have that tone character.
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#2269373 - 04/30/14 11:41 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT]
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HI Ed-
thanks for the input

Originally Posted By: Ed McMorrow, RPT
There is a certain thinness to these pianos sound that I have never liked.

Do you mean the PII 7ft 9" model specifically, or Petrof in general?

thanks

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#2269374 - 04/30/14 11:42 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: SMHaley]
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Thank you

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#2269404 - 05/01/14 01:29 AM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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Phrygian,
The newer models seem to have less of the thin sound. But I haven't heard them all thats for sure!
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#2269559 - 05/01/14 10:46 AM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT]
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Originally Posted By: Ed McMorrow, RPT
Phrygian,
The newer models seem to have less of the thin sound. But I haven't heard them all thats for sure!

Good to know, thanks Ed

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#2270820 - 05/04/14 03:09 AM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty

Find out which action is in the piano. It could be Petrof built, Detoa, or Petrof/Renner. Hidden problems can lurk and the actions, or action parts, which were built during the Soviet era should be avoided.


Hi Marty- just getting back to you re: action-
the action is Renner- in one of the photos the dealer sent me, you can clearly see the "Renner- Made in Germany" sticker/stamp on there (whatever it is!)
So hopefully that's a good sign. A tech is going to examine tomorrow. I'll keep you posted

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#2270856 - 05/04/14 07:45 AM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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Yes but this is a Petrof Renner action
Whippens are a little taller, shanks and whippens are from Renner and Petrof have their own brass and rails (I suspect they produced agrafes and capstans /metal parts for Renner anyway so it is simple for them)

Better than the Detoa action certainly anyway.

Are the hammers very tall ? I thought that the Petrof models where redesigned around 2000 years, not as early 1995. You may be could ask them about that.

I would take care of how the touch is and how tall the hammers are.

The thinner tone in basses can be changed with different bass strings probably. I notice it more for the smaller models and before 2000. The larger grand models recently have a warm colored tone in basses, and if the touch was a little more dynamical they would be concert instruments.

Regards
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#2270963 - 05/04/14 12:39 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Olek]
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HI Olek- thanks so much for the response. I've responded below:

Originally Posted By: Olek

Are the hammers very tall ? I thought that the Petrof models where redesigned around 2000 years, not as early 1995. You may be could ask them about that.

I didn't think to look at hammer size, but I could check


Originally Posted By: Olek

I would take care of how the touch is and how tall the hammers are.

Actually, I really liked the touch- Petrof seems to have a heavier touch, which I prefer

Originally Posted By: Olek

The thinner tone in basses can be changed with different bass strings probably. I notice it more for the smaller models and before 2000. The larger grand models recently have a warm colored tone in basses, and if the touch was a little more dynamical they would be concert instruments.

I'm GLAD to hear you say that- This makes me feel better about it- I am really hoping that either the hammers or strings are the case. The bass isn't horrible sounding, but just lack a certain umph! and depth - I suppose they go "thud" a little. If I were to picture the way it sounds, using a circle to describe the tone of a bass note, the circle is rather small- focused but more like a point, not really taking up much space- I would like the "circle" of the tone to have a larger circumference, more presence, if that makes any sense. Hopefully this description = a solution. I really like the piano

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#2270965 - 05/04/14 12:42 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Olek]
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Olek- one more thought-

Also, I've been reading about Ari Isaac "Profundo" bass strings here on PW- they seem to be regarded highly- If it turns out to be the bass strings that may need replacing on the PII, would you recommend these or a different brand?

thanks again

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#2270966 - 05/04/14 12:46 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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Of course I am far, and order bass strings in Germany from Hellerbass.

Good bass strings make a difference, but if the soundboard is too stiff at that place it can be limited.

Possibly in fact the soundboard reacts too much on the bass side so the tone is long but much energy have been used immediately, so it is long and thin.The original bass strings where not very good, also.


Edited by Olek (05/04/14 02:44 PM)
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#2270998 - 05/04/14 02:11 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Olek]
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Originally Posted By: Olek

but if the soundboard is too stiff at that place it can be limited. Generally speaking I find the panel of those pianos top be on the stiff side, so the tone is not very open, but more toward force , not elegance.


Aw man, now you got me worried again! :-) haha

But there would definitely be room for SOME improvement, with either new hammers and/or bass strings, no?

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#2271002 - 05/04/14 02:19 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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I will vouch for Isaac bass strings. When I set about to restring my 7' Baldwin I opted for those and have appreciated their depth and color. The type I selected had a different type of steel core which are not for the uninitiated to attempt. Ari also rescaled them a touch as well. There are certainly many good options for wound strings.
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#2271007 - 05/04/14 02:39 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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Originally Posted By: phrygian
Originally Posted By: Olek

but if the soundboard is too stiff at that place it can be limited. Generally speaking I find the panel of those pianos top be on the stiff side, so the tone is not very open, but more toward force , not elegance.


Aw man, now you got me worried again! :-) haha

But there would definitely be room for SOME improvement, with either new hammers and/or bass strings, no?


Oh I am absolutely sorry I mismatched with the Samick of the other thread.

Not much the case with Petrofs, the bass tone is a little "slow" I would say a little stiff but not excessively.

But the panel is traditional and adequate quality.
And yes better bass strings can help , they can be better designed too.

I will correct the original answer. Sorry.

New hammers yes , but if necessary. The problem I faced with Petrof designs of the 90 's was that the hammers where very tall, that makes more flexion on the shank, and if the piano is played vigorously (Jazz type, Boogie, Salsa, percussive style) the hammers can wear fast.

It can be only slightly corrected, mostly because the string plane is high in the cavity. The whippens are yet tall and the action look like enlarged in vertical direction, which is not considered idea (the less tall the action is the more efficient it is) .

I noticed a very fast wear of hammers on a Petrof build piano of that era, only in 6 years playing. (with lack of maintenance indeed)

The more recent/actual ones have a v good action and more standard dimensions. This may be simply just a little after 1991 but I believe it is later.

Regards

Possibly bass strings made on a harder steel can help (Mapes wire, probably what uses Ari Isaac (?)

SO take care of the hammer condition, , but if you like the touch - I think there is an accentuated whip effect with the shank/hammer (the hammer is oriented more toward the player than generally) that gives power easily, I dont really explain why. The motion of the hammer when it impact the string, possibly the shank is not allowed to flex much and reflects more energy.

Intermediate palette of power is less large than with the more usual mounting. Same thing is find on Foerster grands.

Regards




Edited by Olek (05/04/14 02:50 PM)
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#2271013 - 05/04/14 02:50 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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After all of the discussion about a particular piano which none of the posters have seen or played, I would like to refer back to my original response.

Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
As with any piano which is nearly 20 years old, all of your concerns should be discussed with a competent and qualified technician who is completely independent of the store.

This is shortly after the fall of the Soviet era and there can be wide variance in quality. Again, a detailed inspection is essential.


This piano could become a champ .... or .......
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#2271019 - 05/04/14 03:10 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
After all of the discussion about a particular piano which none of the posters have seen or played, I would like to refer back to my original response.

Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
As with any piano which is nearly 20 years old, all of your concerns should be discussed with a competent and qualified technician who is completely independent of the store.

This is shortly after the fall of the Soviet era and there can be wide variance in quality. Again, a detailed inspection is essential.


This piano could become a champ .... or .......


Hi Marty-
I hear ya
Tech evaluating today- hopefully some good news

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#2271101 - 05/04/14 06:52 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Olek]
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Awesome, thanks Olek!

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#2271109 - 05/04/14 07:02 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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Update=
The tech just examined and called me-
Report:
The piano is very close to where it should be- also very clean.
The bass notes are a bit louder than the tenor
It has crown
Could use a tad bit more sustain though-
A day or two of voicing, action regulation, & string leveling should put the piano where I'd like it
Not really necessary to replace anything right now, but perhaps a few years down the road, possibly replace hammers & dampers & bass strings as necessary.
The Pianodisc system seems to be working fine, with the exception of one sticking key

I think I may finally pull the trigger:-)


Edited by phrygian (05/04/14 07:04 PM)

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#2271172 - 05/04/14 09:57 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: phrygian]
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I have a 1990 Petrof PII; it is labled "Renner Action". I had strings leveled (got rid of some harpsichord "buzzes"), and (l believe) had expert voicing and regulation done since purchase used last year. Piano is all original, and when purchased Jan 2013, it had so little hammer wear that it was difficult to see string grooves for voicing. It still has bright high treble (undamped), weaker volume above middle C, tenor is probably best sound, and if the bass is "thin" I need education. Phrygian or y'all may consider listening to my PII recording(s) on Soundcloud, especially the Rachmaninoff ( my first recording "test"). If the 1995 doesn't already sound better, the 1990 sound might indicate its potential (l like it! Good luck!)

https://soundcloud.com/pianosson
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#2271198 - 05/04/14 11:13 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: doctor S]
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Originally Posted By: doctor S
I have a 1990 Petrof PII; it is labled "Renner Action". I had strings leveled (got rid of some harpsichord "buzzes"), and (l believe) had expert voicing and regulation done since purchase used last year. Piano is all original, and when purchased Jan 2013, it had so little hammer wear that it was difficult to see string grooves for voicing. It still has bright high treble (undamped), weaker volume above middle C, tenor is probably best sound, and if the bass is "thin" I need education. Phrygian or y'all may consider listening to my PII recording(s) on Soundcloud, especially the Rachmaninoff ( my first recording "test"). If the 1995 doesn't already sound better, the 1990 sound might indicate its potential (l like it! Good luck!)

https://soundcloud.com/pianosson

Thanks Doctor S! Just listened to your recordings- very nice-
I like kitty cat that can be heard at the end of one of them :-)

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#2271199 - 05/04/14 11:16 PM Re: Pristine 1995 Petrof PII grand but thin bass tone-any help?? [Re: Olek]
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Registered: 02/18/13
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Great, thanks for the info, Olek!

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