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#2269217 - 04/30/14 06:35 PM Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more
christineka Offline
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Registered: 06/29/11
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Loc: Utah
My son won a piano in a contest. It's really neat and all, but it's not any better than the piano we already have, so I'm selling it to help fund the grand piano. I have a very interested buyer, but she has concerns.

She lived in the eastern US and now lives in Utah. When she was moving, all her piano experts told her she should not move an eastern piano to the west or the sound board would crack. Personally, I think this is bunk because pianos have historically been manufactured in the east (correct?) and so most of the pianos we have out here are from the east. I could be wrong about things. Anyway, this piano came from Connecticut (or maybe New York?) and only arrived in Utah in February. She's concerned that during the summer, the piano is going to fall apart. I had thought running a humidifier on occasion would prevent that problem, but you tell me, please.

The other concern is that there are two, small cracks in the soundboard. (I can photograph, if needed.) They run along the grain of the wood. My tech says they aren't a problem, unless there's buzzing, which there isn't. He says they can easily be glued. What say you?

Last of all, I know you hate this question, but I'll ask anyway, do you think $1700 for a 1959 Baldwin Hamilton piano that has two small cracks, tight tuning pins, is in tune, and has a beautiful outside finish (dark brown) is unreasonable?


Edited by christineka (04/30/14 06:37 PM)
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#2269237 - 04/30/14 07:06 PM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
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Did he win the piano in a contest because of his ability, or need, or some sort of charitable cause/reason? If so (and it was given to you for free), have you considered "paying it forward" to another deserving student in a similar situation without a piano?

If I were helping a student who was shopping for that piano, there's no way I'd advise them to pay that much for it. Old studio and console uprights sell for less than $1000, typically.
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#2269260 - 04/30/14 07:49 PM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
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I bought a pretty nice Baldwin 243 studio upright (circa 1985) from a local college for a little over $500. If you can get $1700 you are doing quite well...

As far as the difference in climate, that is always a concern; but pianos are tougher than we might think. Once it gets acclimatized to its new location it should be fine.

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#2269379 - 04/30/14 11:59 PM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
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I found a wonderful refurbished 6' 7" Feurich last September (2013)in Baltimore Md. I was very concerned about moving it to the dry climate of the High Desert in Bend Oregon. The complete humidity kit was installed before moving and we also got a room humidifier. This piano has been wonderfully stable. We are moving to a larger house in a month or so and have the humidifier on the furnace system. This piano has been fabulous, of course it is a fine quality piano in the first place.!!
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#2269509 - 05/01/14 08:58 AM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
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I like the idea of paying it forward - if not, put a full DC in the piano, and try to keep moisture in the room (at least 30%). Trouble for soundboards seems to begin at 15% or lower RH.
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#2269510 - 05/01/14 09:01 AM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
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Registered: 05/28/01
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Any change in climate will effect a piano and so will moving a piano within a consistent climate. While it is possible for a soundboard to crack while being moved, it is a rare thing and totally preventable. Use a piano mover who heats his cab in the winter. Cooling in the summer would be nice but not as necessary IMHO.

In addition, if a swing in humidity and temperature causes a split in a soundboard, that crack wasn't far away from showing itself anyway, IMHO.

I did have one terrible experience this past winter. I won't go into details but thank goodness the mover was properly insured. Even professionals can make a mistake and when you are dealing with a very expensive piano - one mistake can be very costly. My advice - always get a copy of an insurance certificate that tells what your coverage is.

Many movers are under insured (at least for moving really exquisite pianos) so you might have to buy extra insurance.

My 2 cents,
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#2269518 - 05/01/14 09:13 AM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: Rich Galassini]
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Originally Posted By: Rich Galassini
Use a piano mover who heats his cab in the winter.

Rich - Minor correction.

I think you mean "box" or "trailer" rather than cab.

If the cab ain't got no heat, look for a dif'rent fleet. (Burma Shave)
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#2269704 - 05/01/14 04:34 PM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Originally Posted By: Rich Galassini
Use a piano mover who heats his cab in the winter.

Rich - Minor correction.

I think you mean "box" or "trailer" rather than cab.

If the cab ain't got no heat, look for a dif'rent fleet. (Burma Shave)


Thank you Marty! You are, as usual, correct. smile
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#2269709 - 05/01/14 04:43 PM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
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Registered: 11/21/13
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Loc: Upstate N.Y.
Maintaining humidity between 40-45% is optimal. Avoiding large and/or rapid fluctuations in humidity is also important. Exposing your piano to extended periods of low humidity could cause the soundboard to shrink and open up those existing cracks, IMHO.

Generally, tight, hairline cracks tend not to be a problem, while larger cracks with gaps are a red flag (especially if you can see light through them). Hairline cracks can be sealed with marine epoxy.
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#2270092 - 05/02/14 09:28 AM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
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Registered: 10/05/08
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Loc: San Jose, CA
"...Even professionals can make a mistake and when you are dealing with a very expensive piano - one mistake can be very costly. My advice - always get a copy of an insurance certificate that tells what your coverage is.

"Many movers are under-insured (at least for moving really exquisite pianos) so you might have to buy extra insurance..."

This advice is worth its weight in gold. I would guess that the underinsured carriers are the very ones a customer would have the most trouble with, getting the insurance cert.

As for the contemplated sale of the 'won' piano, the purchaser should be the one asking for this information. Receiving it at third hand through a party who has a financial interest in the sale, is a very poor practice.
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#2270391 - 05/02/14 10:31 PM Re: Moving a piano from humid east to arid west, and more [Re: christineka]
davidglenn Offline
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Registered: 04/26/14
Posts: 27
Loc: North Carolina
I would think the "Piano Life Saver System" made by the dampp chaser company, would keep the humidity in the piano stable. You would want to make sure to get the full system, with both humidifying and de-humidifying capabilities. A partial system would just de-humidify (dampp-chaser). I have installed many of these systems in different pianos. They can be calibrated from the factory for different humidity levels desired. But the standard system should work fine inside a newer home. Is the piano your son won the 1959 Baldwin/Hamilton? Is it upright or a grand?
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