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#2272767 - 05/08/14 10:59 AM Your favourite underplayed piano concerto?
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I know there might have been threads of this sort before, but....about half a year when getting an offer to perform with orchestra, I made an attempt to suggest some repertoire outside of the beaten path. The organizers wanted Ravel G major - I suggested the left hand concerto, along with one or two options far outside of standard rep. We ended up with the left hand concerto, which was a great choice, but it now seems likely an orchestra is willing to take up a lesser played concerto. I was asked to come up with various suggestions. Do you have any particular favourites? A few on my mind are:

Medtner - mainly the 1st concerto
Szymanowski - 4th symphony ('Sinfonia concertante' for pi and orch)
Samuil Feinberg - the three piano concertos, perhaps the 3rd in particular


When I made a post on Facebook about this the previous time I was offered an opportunity to play with orchestra, this is the list friends came up with. See if you can add anything to it!


Lutoslawski
Reger
Marx
Dohnanyi
Khachaturian
Glazunow
Saint-saens 4-5
Debussy Fantasie
Moszkowski
Tchai 2
Fauré ballade, fantasy
Field 2
Magnus Lindberg 1-2
Berio concerto for 2 pianos
COnstant Lambert
Scriabin
Honegger Concertino
Ned Rorem 2nd concerto, Concerto for Left Hand, Concerto in Six Movements
Copland
Lou Harrison
Heraclios Djabadary 2nd piano concerto
Ginastera
Stojowski 2nd
Busoni's Indian Fantasy
Einar Englund's 2nd
Kalevi Aho 2nd
Veli-Matti Puumala "Seeds of time"
Jukka Tiensuu
Britten
Weber's Konzertstück
Lepo Sumera
Tippett
Joey Roukens - "Concerto Hypnagogique, for piano and orchestra"
d'Indy
Delius
Takemitsu Riverrun
John Adams Eros Piano
Milhaud No. 4
Feldman Piano and Orchestra
Kevin Volans
Lowell Liebermann
Helselt
Ilmari Hannikainen
Selim Palmgren


Alright, what did I miss?

Ironically, back then (october last year) a few people also mentioned Prok 5, heh...
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#2272778 - 05/08/14 11:16 AM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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In honor of another thread currently underway, the Rach 3 should be played at every concerto outing. wink
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#2272788 - 05/08/14 11:27 AM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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The Medtner 2nd and the Busoni spring to mind. Does Rach 1 count?
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#2272793 - 05/08/14 11:44 AM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Beethoven 4? ha

Maybe Prokofiev 1? Maybe not exactly what you want, but I think it's always pushed aside for 2 or 3.
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#2272807 - 05/08/14 12:31 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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If Prok 5 is underplayed (and it is), so it Prok 4, which is also glorious.

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#2272809 - 05/08/14 12:35 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Villa-Lobos also has some interesting concerti.

EDIT: I actually don't really care about his piano concertos, but his Momoprecoce, which is a fantasy for piano and orchestra, is wonderfull!


Edited by Francisco Scalco (05/08/14 12:37 PM)

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#2272816 - 05/08/14 12:47 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Originally Posted By: fnork
I know there might have been threads of this sort before, but....about half a year when getting an offer to perform with orchestra, I made an attempt to suggest some repertoire outside of the beaten path. The organizers wanted Ravel G major - I suggested the left hand concerto, along with one or two options far outside of standard rep. We ended up with the left hand concerto, which was a great choice, but it now seems likely an orchestra is willing to take up a lesser played concerto. I was asked to come up with various suggestions. Do you have any particular favourites? A few on my mind are:

How could you miss out your fellow countryman Kimmo Hakola's great piano concerto?

It's my favourite contemporary concerto by a living composer, and has everything in it (from deep introspection to high-flying kicks).

OK, it runs into nearly an hour, but that's just a small detail..... grin
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#2272817 - 05/08/14 12:48 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Paderewsky, Bernstein's Age of Anxiety, Schoenberg, Humiwo Hayasaka, Hummel.
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#2272830 - 05/08/14 01:12 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Any of the Bach keyboard concerti.
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#2272832 - 05/08/14 01:13 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: gooddog]
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Originally Posted By: gooddog
Any of the Bach keyboard concerti.

In that case, I could say all of the Mozarts and all of the Beethovens as well. ha
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#2272864 - 05/08/14 02:30 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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The Palmgren no 2 is gorgeous. It has a bit of Ravel influence in it. It's my favorite underplayed (nonplayed) concerto.
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#2272922 - 05/08/14 04:56 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Originally Posted By: fnork


...this is the list friends came up with. See if you can add anything to it!


Great list! Would second the Busoni Indian Fantasy and add Rimsky Korsakov, Howells C minor, Delius and the Strauss Burleske.
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#2272924 - 05/08/14 05:00 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux
In honor of another thread currently underway, the Rach 3 should be played at every concerto outing. wink

Yes, it is certainly underplayed. ha
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#2272933 - 05/08/14 05:16 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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#2272936 - 05/08/14 05:17 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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OK, just had a quick look to see the latest acquisitions which I've loaded recently into iTunes on my laptop - starting with those from Scandinavia :

Esa-Pekka Salonen's Piano Concerto - composed for Yefim Bronfman, virtuosic and accessible, yet modernist-sounding.

Geirr Tveitt's piano concertos - imbued with folk-like tunes from his native Norway. (Tveitt also composed Hardanger Fiddle concertos).

Adolf Wiklund's two piano concertos - wonderfully tuneful, full-blooded Romanticism. Why aren't they ever programed?

Wilhelm Stenhammar's two piano concertos - also lovely Romantic concertos.

.....and concertos by André Previn (written for Ashkenazy), Marc-André Dalbavie (written for Andsnes), Walter Braunfels, Scharwenka.....
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#2272977 - 05/08/14 08:08 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Persichetti

Françaix

Jolivet

Poulenc

Adams, John "Piano Rolls"

Mennin

Sculthorpe

Tagliapietra (can't honestly say this one is a favorite, because I've never heard it. But I'd sure like to hear it. It's got a chorus part, interestingly. Maybe he was taking a cue from his teacher, Busoni)

Ligeti

Milhaud "Le Carnival d'Aix"

Hindemith

Blacher (he wrote three - I like them all)

Skalkottas - no. 2; no. 3 (a huge work, but with only a small wind orchestra as accompaniment)

Chavez - Arrau did the priemere, said it was the most difficult concerto he ever learned. It's a wonderful piece.

Denisov

Tishchenko - op. 54, for piano, flute, and strings; op. 144 for piano, violin, and strings

Tchaikovsky, Boris

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#2272985 - 05/08/14 08:41 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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#2273044 - 05/09/14 12:02 AM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Zygmunt Stojowski: 1st Concerto in f# minor (Hyperion Romantic Piano Concerto Vol.28, Jonathan Plowright.)

Hermann Goetz: 2nd Concerto in B flat (I like the Volker Banfield recording.)

Moritz Moszkowski: 1st Concerto in b minor (Underplayed? It just received its world premier a few months ago by Ludmil Angelov. The Adagio is exquisitely beautiful.)

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#2273286 - 05/09/14 02:35 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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#2273291 - 05/09/14 02:44 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Samuel Barber isn't in your list ? Is it so underplayed that you don't even know it ? Check it out :


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#2273317 - 05/09/14 03:42 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: worov]
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I'm not sure that the Bartók 3 (or indeed, any of the Bartóks) or the Barber are underplayed - in fact, I'd say they are among the mainstream of piano concertos.

As is the Yellow River Concerto - especially among Oriental pianists......

I forgot to mention Carl Vine's Piano Concerto earlier - I've never heard it played in the UK (maybe it's never been performed here), but perhaps it's part of the mainstream piano concertos in USA?
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#2273335 - 05/09/14 04:46 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: worov]
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Actually, I think Barber's Concerto is "on the radar", so to speak (unlike ANY other contemporary concerto, at least to my knowledge), but one that isn't is one that his partner, Gian Carlo Menotti, wrote in 1945 -- quite lyrical and effective; well worth a hearing.

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#2273344 - 05/09/14 04:58 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: worov]
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Thanks everyone for these valuable contributions! I wonder how much time it'd take to listen through all of these concerti - I'll give most of them some sort of shot soon though, as I just happened to get contacted by another orchestra. Odd week!

Originally Posted By: worov
Samuel Barber isn't in your list ? Is it so underplayed that you don't even know it ?

I left it out intentionally to see which Barber fanatic would mention it first wink surprised it hasnt gotten mentioned until now!
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#2273349 - 05/09/14 05:12 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Actually, I think Barber's Concerto is "on the radar", so to speak (unlike ANY other contemporary concerto, at least to my knowledge), but one that isn't is one that his partner, Gian Carlo Menotti, wrote in 1945 -- quite lyrical and effective; well worth a hearing.

To say that Barber's concerto is 'contemporary' might be pushing it a bit wink - Shostakovich's 2nd was composed only a few years earlier....

Which reminds me of Peter Mennin's Piano Concerto which I heard for the first time in John Ogdon's RCA tribute CD box, just released. As well as Richard Yardumian's Passacaglia, Recitative and Fugue.

And how about Ogdon's own Piano Concerto - a big, powerful, virtuosic piece which has probably never been performed by anyone other than the composer.....
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#2273359 - 05/09/14 05:46 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Look into concertos by other members of the Bach family, especially the sons.

I have a few odd ones in my library which I am not real familiar with: Walton's Symphonia Concertante, Vaughan Williams, Hindemith's Concerto, Chamber Concerto, and the 4 Temperaments. The Chamber Concerto seems to be rather catchy, but I just pick these things up as they become available, and maybe never try them out.
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#2273362 - 05/09/14 05:49 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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BDB, you must mean op 36 nr 1? How funny you mention it - I'm planning to perform that in august smile Terrific piece!
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#2273368 - 05/09/14 06:08 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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Yes. It is odd that it is Kammermusik #2, yet Op. 36, #1.
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#2273436 - 05/09/14 07:59 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: fnork]
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#2273445 - 05/09/14 08:31 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis

And how about Ogdon's own Piano Concerto - a big, powerful, virtuosic piece which has probably never been performed by anyone other than the composer.....

Probably not, anymore than we will get to hear any of the operas John Ogdon wrote.

Reportedly he recorded the first two concertos of Malcolm Williamson (I believe the composer eventually wrote a total of four), but I have never been able to track them down.

I do know that the composer himself recorded several of his concertos, he was supremely gifted, even as an organist.

For those interested in this sadly underrated and neglected composer, Hyperion have recently released a recording of his organ symphony played at Durham Cathedral, an ideal venue. If anything else, the central toccata will knock the socks off.
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#2273453 - 05/09/14 08:56 PM Re: Your favourite underplayed piano concerto? [Re: BDB]
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Yes. It is odd that it is Kammermusik #2, yet Op. 36, #1.

...because there was an earlier one, op 24 I believe.
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