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#2278012 - 05/18/14 05:12 PM Water themed music
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I'm in the early stages of putting together a grant application for our town's Cultural Council for a concert. My idea is to do a concert in which audience members can move around, dance, make art, or sit quietly and listen. It's sort of oriented toward kids, but all ages really.. I just expect it's mostly parents and kids who will be attracted by the idea of a concert where you don't have to sit still in a chair the whole time.

The theme of the concert is water (don't judge, it's required for the grant) and planned title is "A River of Music - concert for a creative audience." It's aimed primarily at people who don't often listen to classical, but I'd like it to be meaningful for classical fans too.

I am thinking about these pieces and would love ideas about others. I'd like to manage difficulty a bit because I need to be able to play these while people are walking around and dropping crayons and stuff. ie no Chopin Barcarolle or L'Isle Joyeuse.

Southam - Rivers (one of the fast ones)
Coleridge Taylor - Deep River and Wade in the Water from 24 Negro Melodies
Takemitsu - one of the Rain Tree Sketches, leaning toward no. 2
Debussy - The Snow is Dancing (Children's Corner) and The Sunken Cathedral (Preludes book 1)
Faure - Barcarolles nos. 4, 6, and 12
Making my own transcription of either Vltava (Moldau) by Smetana or 1-2 of the Fountains of Rome by Respighi. Leaning toward Vltava.

Some Baroque or classical would be nice but having trouble coming up with ideas other than Water Music by Handel and I just don't really want to go there...

(I have given no attention to program order yet.)


Edited by hreichgott (05/18/14 05:15 PM)
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#2278018 - 05/18/14 05:23 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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How about this -- not sure exactly how hard it is, but maybe it's OK. (Seems like something that's not as hard as it sounds.) smile

Solo version of Saint-Saens "Aquarium" from Carnival of the Animals:
(the piece has always felt to me like 'water personified,' or however we should put it)


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#2278020 - 05/18/14 05:32 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Here's one: Luciano Berio - Wasserklavier

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#2278027 - 05/18/14 05:43 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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I don't know what level of difficulty you don't want to get to, but there are many Barcarolles by various composers and plenty of water-based music by Debussy:

Reflets dans l'eau; Jardins sous la pluie; La cathédral engloutie; Ondine; Poissons d'or.

And of course Ravel's Ondine, Une barque sur l'ocean and Jeux d'eau wink .

Griffes's Barcarolle Op.6/1, Fountain of the Aqua Paola (Roman Sketches, Op.7).

Barcarolles by Rachmaninoff, Richard Rodney Bennett and David Diamond.

Schubert/Liszt: Auf dem Wasser zu Singen.


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#2278028 - 05/18/14 05:43 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Debussy Reflets dans l'eau (Reflections on the H20)
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#2278031 - 05/18/14 05:46 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: doctor S]
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I think a lot of the pieces y'all are mentioning are at least as hard as the Chopin Barcarolle.

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#2278033 - 05/18/14 05:49 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I think a lot of the pieces y'all are mentioning are at least as hard as the Chopin Barcarolle.

When you have water sprites, waterfalls, rain, oceans.....there're always going to be lots of notes wink .

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#2278039 - 05/18/14 05:55 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
I think a lot of the pieces y'all are mentioning are at least as hard as the Chopin Barcarolle.

When you have water sprites, waterfalls, rain, oceans.....there're always going to be lots of notes wink .

Ok so here's the range. The Mendelssohn F# minor Venetian Boat Song I could play in my sleep and/or drunk. The Chopin Barcarolle and L'Isle Joyeuse I can sort of play through, haven't really studied yet, would need a lot of preparation to give a successful performance at this time, and a successful performance in a distracting environment is I feel unrealistic and more stress than I care to experience. Anything from Gaspard de la nuit is right out. Some of the other advanced Debussy and Ravel mentioned are pieces I've actually never tried to play and might see about reading through, but if it's equal or harder than those pieces I mentioned then it's too hard for this project.
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#2278049 - 05/18/14 06:18 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Some of the other advanced Debussy and Ravel mentioned are pieces I've actually never tried to play and might see about reading through, but if it's equal or harder than those pieces I mentioned then it's too hard for this project.

Jardins sous la pluie isn't as difficult as it sounds, and certainly sounds watery.

David Diamond's Barcarolle No.1 is easy.

How about traditional Chinese like Wencheng's Autumn Moon on a Calm Lake, or your own juicy bits from the Yellow River Concerto - my favourite section is the opening (bamboo flute solo and) cadenza and then the piano solo of the third movement, which I often play to delight my friends and foes grin?

Toivo Kuula's Virta venhettä vie (Rivers gentle flow carry the boat) isn't too difficult.

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#2278074 - 05/18/14 07:07 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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You might be able to fake Debussy's Jardins sous la pluie, but it would be a shame - how about Singin' in the Rain??
September in the Rain, Rain, Don't Rain on my Parade...

etc.

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#2278107 - 05/18/14 08:16 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Some of the other advanced Debussy and Ravel mentioned are pieces I've actually never tried to play and might see about reading through, but if it's equal or harder than those pieces I mentioned then it's too hard for this project.

Jardins sous la pluie isn't as difficult as it sounds, and certainly sounds watery.

David Diamond's Barcarolle No.1 is easy.

How about traditional Chinese like Wencheng's Autumn Moon on a Calm Lake, or your own juicy bits from the Yellow River Concerto - my favourite section is the opening (pipa solo and) cadenza and then the piano solo of the third movement, which I often play to delight my friends and foes grin?

Toivo Kuula's Virta venhettä vie (Rivers gentle flow carry the boat) isn't too difficult.

Now we are getting into some interesting territory! thanks smile and I see I have things to look up and try.
Auntie Lynn...... maybe for encores laugh
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#2278113 - 05/18/14 08:31 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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I like the Chinese suggestion. The main thing that occurs to me is Chopin Raindrop Prelude, which I haven't played but doesn't seem hard. I also like the Mendelssohn "Clouds"--slightly watery and also not virtuosic.
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#2278123 - 05/18/14 09:13 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: jdw]
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Yiruma River Flows in You

Also consider adding some songs with vocals:
Rains Drops are Falling on my head
Have you ever seen the rain?
Its raining men
Singing in the Rain
Set Fire to the Rain
The water is wide

For a general audience all the above would likely be better received, get the crowd more energized, than many other choices.

Want to get in deeper? Have some youth dance ensembles perform short dances to some pieces. Perhaps they can be audience participation type dances.
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#2278134 - 05/18/14 09:46 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Griffes's Fountains is an *excellent* suggestion, but it *is* a bit tricky...how do you feel about Blumenfeld's etude sur la mer? Or his Op. 3 No. 1? I mean...I *know* they're etudes but you might already have something similar in your fingers...so...I don't know... laugh Maybe Stanchinsky's seventh sketch from his Op. 1? Oh! Alkan's Op 31 No. 8; La Chanson De La Folle Au Bord...maybe a touch darker than you'd like though; *very* seaside though ^_^ Um...maybe some Einaudi? Le Onde, obviously, and La linea scura is very liquidy...um...the Yiruma's a good call too, if you want a wide range of accessibility...hmm...the seventh movement of Ligeti's Musica Ricercata? It always reminds me of rain hitting a New York city road and the reflections of the city above in its pooling surface...*maybe* Rameau? Um...I'm sure with the right touch that maybe the Rappel des Oiseaux or Le Poule might work; with frequent and overly liberal usage of rubato you might turn the rhythmic pecking into a tender dripping, but I'm not sure...anyway, um, I hope you find everything you're looking for *eventually* laugh
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#2278143 - 05/18/14 10:05 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: Sand Tiger]
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Originally Posted By: Sand Tiger
....Want to get in deeper?....

Nice job!

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#2278262 - 05/19/14 07:09 AM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Besides those mentioned you could also consider

Schubert-Liszt: Der Müller und der Bach
Liszt: Gondoliera from Venezia e Napoli; Au bord d'une source


Good luck for your grant application!
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#2278319 - 05/19/14 10:01 AM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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How about:

Griffes "The Fountain of Acqua Paola"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD0-bCXZVj0

Debussy "The Sunken Cathedral" - which, if intend to get it up to speed, is not too hard to play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVyKDDsM3s



Both Ravel and Debussy have an "Ondine".

Debussy's is easier, I think.

If there's an orchestra, they could do:

Respighi "The Fountains of Rome"

Or, if you have a kick-butt rock band:

Led Zeppelin "The Rain Song" and "When the Levee Breaks"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4v-_p5dU34

... and, even if you don't, I can imagine a nice piano transcription.

Find a great soul singer and back him up on:

James Carr "Pouring water on a Drowning Man"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFZ7yADHk_A&feature=related

Or, if you like something a bit more pop/contemporary:

Sufjan Stevens - the gamelan-esque "Tahaquamenon Falls"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj0Xki2wrR4&feature=kp




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#2278345 - 05/19/14 10:57 AM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Gillock's "Fountain in the Rain" would be an excellent choice. Not terribly difficult, great teaching literature, very enjoyable.

You might have a look at a lot of the advanced pedagogical literature, as there tends to be a lot of themed music. Heller's "Brook" (the first in Op. 45) also comes to mind.
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#2278363 - 05/19/14 12:14 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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#2278365 - 05/19/14 12:18 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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http://youtu.be/B8fd7Fgf2Cs?t=6m46s

Start at around 6:45 if the cursor is not there.

The score would be free for you Heather! ^_^
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#2278572 - 05/19/14 08:49 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
http://youtu.be/B8fd7Fgf2Cs?t=6m46s

Start at around 6:45 if the cursor is not there.

The score would be free for you Heather! ^_^

This is a very evocative piece. I like it. Send it over!! (much appreciated) With what objects must I trouble the inside of the piano?
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#2278584 - 05/19/14 09:11 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: mrenaud]
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Here's one: Luciano Berio - Wasserklavier


Wow. That's the prettiest Berio I've ever heard.
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#2278588 - 05/19/14 09:20 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Chopin's Barcarolle is a boat ride.

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#2278589 - 05/19/14 09:21 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Chopin's Barcarolle is a boat ride.

Originally Posted By: hreichgott
no Chopin Barcarolle
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#2278636 - 05/19/14 11:41 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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The other pieces in the set are every bit as good, although far more experimental and dissonant.

Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Originally Posted By: mrenaud
Here's one: Luciano Berio - Wasserklavier


Wow. That's the prettiest Berio I've ever heard.
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#2278640 - 05/19/14 11:50 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Bach's prelude from English Suite 3 always reminds me of water, although it doesn't actually have the word 'water' in the title.

Edit: although I can't find a good recording of it, so maybe you'll have more trouble than I thought. In any case, here is the best I could find:



Edited by phantomFive (05/20/14 12:24 AM)
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#2278641 - 05/19/14 11:52 PM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Paul Dukas' take on Goethe's Sorceror's Apprentice has a lot of water in it, with or without Mickey Mouse, but that may be too difficult.

There is Ethelbert Nevin's Water Scenes, which includes Narcissus. That would fit into the Suite Recital project, as would Ferde Grofe's "modern descriptive suite," Mississippi.
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#2278646 - 05/20/14 12:33 AM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
http://youtu.be/B8fd7Fgf2Cs?t=6m46s

Start at around 6:45 if the cursor is not there.

The score would be free for you Heather! ^_^

This is a very evocative piece. I like it. Send it over!! (much appreciated) With what objects must I trouble the inside of the piano?
Nothing!

But you get to play inside the piano with your fingernail(s), palm of the hand and muting the strings!

It's fun! laugh
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#2278767 - 05/20/14 09:59 AM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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Debussy "En Bateau".

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#2278782 - 05/20/14 10:53 AM Re: Water themed music [Re: hreichgott]
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