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#228249 - 02/03/07 11:29 AM Thank you, Ori!
John Perkins Offline
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On a couple threads on PianoWorld, I talked about a few things that were really bugging me about my new Estonia L190. I won't belabor everyone again with details, but in short, it was a series of notes (starting at C above middle C and continuing upward for a tritone or more) that sounded harsh, brittle and murky; a general lack of tonal variation across the spectrum of the piano between mezzo piano and fortissimo; and, less seriously, a creaky sustain pedal.

Ori came to my place this week and completely worked over my Estonia in a three and a half hour session that had him adjusting the duplexes, revoicing/shaping hammers, putting the action back in and playing, pulling it out, making more adjustments, then more playing, and so on. And at the end, he re-tuned the piano.

The results? I am overwhelmed at the difference! It sounds fantastic!!! The harsh, murky notes are now clean and crisp. The range of color I am now able to produce is kaleidescope compared to the gray-scale it had been.

Tricia and I talked to Ori and watched him work for a good portion of the time, and listened to him play to try out the changes he was making. (He has some serious chops by the way.) Tricia, who is a meticulous, fine painter here in New York, commented later that night to me that it is a great pleasure to watch someone who not only has a mastery of their work but clearly enjoys it and is passionate about it. It is obvious to me that Ori has a great love for piano craft, for music, and for making sure people are happy with their instruments.

Ori, thank you again for coming down and spending all that time making my piano sound so beautiful. [/b]I have a free weekend this weekend, and I am going to play, play, play.

John

** Edit I should point out something else that might be getting misconstrued here. I didn't buy my piano from Ori, but rather from another dealer. So, it was not his original prep job I was unsatisfied with, but rather the dealer I did buy from.

Ori came in and saved the day for me, even though it was not one of his sales. **[/b]

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#228250 - 02/03/07 12:03 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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John,

That's great news for you. Great to hear you had a successful outcome. Nothing like a piano that one is completely delighted with.

Great testimonial for Ori too (not the first and likely not the last) as well and possibly the value of PianoWorld. I suspect Ori would have come over even if it was a new Steinway, although he might have been under the cover of a mustache. \:\)

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#228251 - 02/03/07 12:14 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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Not only is it a testiment to Ori, but it speaks to the results, often not realized, of a GOOD voicing and regulation.
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#228252 - 02/03/07 01:18 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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I only wish my local technician would devote three or more hours to my piano. He seems always to be in a hurry even after I express that I do not mind paying for his time to make the piano the best it can possibly be.
Way to go Ori. Do you travel?
Congratulations John and good on you to even mention the problems with your new piano in the first place.

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#228253 - 02/03/07 01:37 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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Those notes are killer deals for me.

Once you hear them, the sound doesn't go away.

EDIT: Below I meant TREBLE break not TENOR break. So think about Treble Staff when thinking above middle C. SORRY for the confusion.

I think it is called the tenor break, and when the tech was just here from Avery's we talked about it and I saw where the rib is on the plate. It escapes me why there is a problem on tone just because a pin (or whatever the reason) is on one side of the rib than on the other side, but I guess the problem has been around for a long time.

He mentioned something of historical interest. A Broadman piano in the past tried to do without the rib to alleviate this problem but at the cost of a 2000 lb piano. Hope I got that story right. ;-)

I heard this problem on several pianos as I was testing out quality uprights. It became an issue with me since so many melodic classical pieces use those notes.

I am glad that Ori was able to make the needed voicing/adjustments for you.

It might be interesting to have another thread devoted to this issue. Jolly?

LL
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#228254 - 02/03/07 01:44 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
John Perkins Offline
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I should point out something else that might be getting misconstrued here. I didn't buy my piano from Ori, but rather from another dealer. So, it was not his original prep job I was unsatisfied with, but rather the dealer I did buy from.

Ori came in and saved the day for me, even though it was not one of his sales.

John

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#228255 - 02/03/07 01:45 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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Originally posted by mdsdurango:
I only wish my local technician would devote three or more hours to my piano. He seems always to be in a hurry even after I express that I do not mind paying for his time to make the piano the best it can possibly be.
Way to go Ori. Do you travel?
Congratulations John and good on you to even mention the problems with your new piano in the first place.

Mike [/b]
He probably need to get to his next appointment.

Next time, when you call to schedule a tuning, tell him to bbo out 3 hours or so for voicing and/or regulation.
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#228256 - 02/03/07 01:48 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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I think we've been kicking around the killer octave since Cork the Barbarian was a mainstay. \:D

(I miss ol' Cork...). \:\(
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#228257 - 02/03/07 02:18 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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 Quote:
Originally posted by lilylady:
Those notes are killer deals for me.

Once you hear them, the sound doesn't go away.

I think it is called the tenor break [/b]
I might be wrong, but I thought the tenor break was where the strings went from wound wire to plain wire. My problematic octave was well into the plain wire strings.

I think the issue was that the dealer I bought it from (not Ori) had voiced the piano down way too much and had not taken time to set up the duplexes optimally.

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#228258 - 02/03/07 02:37 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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Well, you have me questioning what I have been learning, Jolly. I thought that the killer octave was higher than the treble break and that C plus, above middle C was the treble break. I am sure that others will let us know.

My mistake John. I meant Treble Break and I will edit my above post. I had been referring to your C above middle C and notes joining.

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#228259 - 02/03/07 05:49 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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John,
Thank you for your kind words.
I’m really glad everything worked out and that you’re happy with your piano.
It was nice to meet with you and Tricia. I was duly impressed with your playing too, by the way.


Lilylady,
The tonal issues that John had with his piano had little to do with any “killer octave” syndrome. In fact, it took me little time to fix the zings he was complaining about. Most of the time I spent was in order to get the color and clarity back since these were voiced out by another tech, perhaps in an attempt to solve the objectionable sounds John was complaining about.


mdsdurango,
I don’t usually work on pianos unless it is for customers who bought the instrument from me. John’s was a special case.
However, if you’d let your tech know in advance that you like him to spend some extra time and do some further adjustments he may very well budget the time for it.
When I came this time to John I was only expecting to fix the objectionable sounds he was complaining about, and knew that it would take me only a short time, however, once I start working on such a beautiful piano it’s hard to stop until everything is right and the piano sounds as it should.
Luckily, I had no other appointments that day so it only meant I’d be home a little later.
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#228260 - 02/05/07 04:05 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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Hey Ori,

Are you going to be in the Chicago area any time soon? ;\)
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#228261 - 02/05/07 04:17 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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Registered: 11/13/06
Posts: 1323
 Quote:
Originally posted by Ori:
I don’t usually work on pianos unless it is for customers who bought the instrument from me. [/b]
Good reason to buy a piano from that man (not to mention all the other good reasons, including the awesome collection in his shop to choose from).

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#228262 - 02/05/07 07:01 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
John Perkins Offline
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Registered: 04/20/06
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 Quote:
Originally posted by J. Mark:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Ori:
I don’t usually work on pianos unless it is for customers who bought the instrument from me. [/b]
Good reason to buy a piano from that man (not to mention all the other good reasons, including the awesome collection in his shop to choose from). [/b]
Absolutely. I will definitely use Ori for my next "once-in-a-lifetime" piano purchase... which will probably be in a few years. ;-)

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#228263 - 02/06/07 08:12 PM Re: Thank you, Ori!
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You guys make me blush... \:o
Thank you for your kind words.

Mark,
I'm not to fond of the weather in the windy city this time of year, but hey, if you ship your piano to the Bahamas...
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