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#2286927 - 06/07/14 10:11 AM How's My Tuning?
Jim Dunleavy Offline
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Registered: 02/27/05
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Would anyone like to comment on my amateur tuning (and voicing)? I realise this is a bit like putting my head in the lion's mouth, but I have a fairly thick skin, so don't hold back! grin

This link is to a SoundCloud track -

https://soundcloud.com/jim-dunleavy/1a-1
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#2286939 - 06/07/14 10:36 AM Re: How's My Tuning? [Re: Jim Dunleavy]
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Well done Jim. Sounds pretty good ... excellent for an amateur, and better than a great deal of 'professional' examples I've heard. Have you used an ETD or ear?
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#2286940 - 06/07/14 10:38 AM Re: How's My Tuning? [Re: Jim Dunleavy]
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Thanks Johnkie. I used the Android version of Tunelab to do it.
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#2287049 - 06/07/14 04:20 PM Re: How's My Tuning? [Re: Jim Dunleavy]
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Very well.

Nice unison.

The tempering is a little strange in the low portion F2 F3 but this is not really your fault if you referred to an ETD computation, it miss a little "meat" .
C3 C4 strangely beating a lot - the break was not managed so well with the program.

Good job generally speaking. If you master at that point your tone I suggest you tune by ear at last after the temperament.





Edited by Olek (06/07/14 04:25 PM)
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#2287097 - 06/07/14 08:03 PM Re: How's My Tuning? [Re: Jim Dunleavy]
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'Sounds nice, Jim. I'd be curious to know what you used for mic/s and the placement. I can't be sure, but it sounds like there are some room reflections bouncing around in there a bit.
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#2287213 - 06/08/14 03:29 AM Re: How's My Tuning? [Re: Jim Dunleavy]
Jim Dunleavy Offline
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Isaac, thanks for the comments - I'm very happy that you like my unisons; I spent long enough getting them the best I could.

The F2-F3 region you mention probably IS my fault. It sounded OK from the last tuning, so I just did a quick aural check against the octave above and corrected a couple of slightly rolling unisons. How you picked that out is a mystery though! shocked

David - I added a video to my youtube channel (the link is in my sig) showing my recording set up. What you heard will indeed have been room reflections, as the mics were several feet from the piano (I found that gave the best sound). Also, for the first recording (Traumerei) I didn't remove the front of the piano - I just opened the lid; I think this subtly altered the recorded sound.
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#2287224 - 06/08/14 05:05 AM Re: How's My Tuning? [Re: Jim Dunleavy]
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Just rechecked the C3 - C4 and you were bang on Isaac. F#2 and A#2 were beating with the octave above as well, so I've corrected them all.

Seems like I need to develop my ears to hear the beats in that octave better!

Tunelab is not a great indicator once you get much below the temperament octave - or in the very top octave for that matter. I had to adjust some of the higher notes using 8ve, 4th & 5ths, thirds and 8ve+thirds tests - generally I had to set them slightly flatter than tunelab was indicating (it was set to 2:1 treble octaves and 6:3 bass octaves).

The whole thing took much longer than the couple of hours I usually spend when using tunelab, but I wanted it as good as I could get it for doing the recordings.
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#2287229 - 06/08/14 06:26 AM Re: How's My Tuning? [Re: Jim Dunleavy]
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just try to have the octave energy coupling, without making it too much "rounded" in the basses.

I mean do not look for beats too much, more for an enhancement in the global tone. then only listen for beats.

You can also train your hear to listen only at the partials and find the place where they seem to go along together well

In a single unison it can do as a rainbow, with the touch of "light" coming form lower to higher partial, or the opposite , depending of the direction you are going.

That may learn you to control the lever to the max, it will be way easier then to set the pin correctly.

Just try going 1/4 of the normal speed with the lever, very slow and very progressive while raising, then use mostly the string to put the pin in place, while helping it with the lever but lightly. Look at the late videos I posted, see how Ian Jocher allow the pin to take its place naturally, with firm blows and light pressure on the lever.

You need to be "sure" of when the good pitch is attained while raising (hence the advantage of tuning very slowly) then be very attentive at the amount of torque added above that point, and that will need to untwist in the end.

Good luck.



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