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#2286089 - 06/05/14 11:53 AM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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I feel like this is like American Idol when everyone is telling you no, I will give you a yes. There are quicker way to learn and play the song ( may be not exactly like the original) but not much different.
For example is you look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YPPWShawyU , try to play the harmony chord ( since you don't read music its the red color on the keyboard) and ONLY the top note of the melody for now ( top note = the most right note on the keyboard). You can ignore the rest of the middle orange notes for now since they are what we call embellishment on the chord, and add them in as much as possible once you have master the overall simply song structure.
I remember many moons ago I started piano also for a girl as well, and one songs turns into a passion for 30 some years. Worst comes worst, the only song you play is absolutely recyclable to the next girl comes along smile

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#2286091 - 06/05/14 11:55 AM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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one songs turns into a passion for 30 some years


This ^ BigWillo7, maybe this will be the start of a long relationship for you - with the piano!

Best of luck to you!
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#2286129 - 06/05/14 01:27 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

... the capability to learn to play the piano in two months simply does not exist ... why are we lying to him?

... just one piece in 2 months.

It is not a lie ... just a huge stretch. Also, might you be forgetting something?

Surprising to me as you normally come across so warm smile ...


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#2286138 - 06/05/14 01:46 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: keystring
Originally Posted By: 8 Octaves
Forget about pedaling.

For the third piece? I wouldn't think so.

I wouldn't think so about this whole enterprise. Unless the OP is a genius, which he (by his own admission) is not, the capability to learn to play the piano in two months simply does not exist. He has asked if it's possible, and why are we lying to him?


I second this. If you really want something to play for her, look for like few bars long arrangement for piano starters for some love song or song she likes. slow song. one note per hand. Unless you are extremely gifted (to an extent) you will not do anything more than few bars from these pieces, spending like two hours daily on the piano, asking yourself how to play that scary thing.

I will tell you, that you will not be able to learn properly to play even the first few bars from memory. Sorry, they are difficult pieces, and even many starters told you that they are to hard for them after a year or more.

Get over this and find the new idea.
Sorry, but you will only lose your time and nerves and she will probably not be pleased by your horrous execution. and, after two months, you will realize, that you mostly lost your time. Maybe do some beutiful origami rose or whatever, it's really easier to learn than piano playing in your case.

Well, there is always possibility that you will love the piano, but, it's life-long journey.

If you want to have some benchmark, go and listen how and what people are playing after few months or years.

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#2286170 - 06/05/14 02:55 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: kapelli]
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Originally Posted By: kapelli
Maybe do some beutiful origami rose or whatever, it's really easier to learn than piano playing in your case.
I bet everyone on the origami forum is cringing at this comment wink
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#2286185 - 06/05/14 03:37 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Morodiene]
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It's amazing how the uninitiated completely underestimate the difficulty of playing piano. It's not easy like operating a pro-level digital SLR or programming a VCR. They think it's no harder than most things adults have experience like learning to operate a stick-shift car in traffic, which most people could be proficient after one month of practice.

Synthesia is neat tool. But the problem is most beginners touching a piano for the very first time has the musical memory of far less than a minute like Brian said. Even if someone showed me all the notes of this song (below) when I first started piano, there is just no way to remember it all in a couple of months. Learning to read the score is actually easier? Of course we are throwing away entirely the issue of quality. Then add in performance stress when you are actually playing it back for that important person.

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#2286195 - 06/05/14 03:48 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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Well the things is anybody I mean anybody can knock out a tune on a piano, the difficulty is in playing well and putting together a performance which flows

This piece here I can kinda play it, but the when it gets to 1/8 and 1/16th notes I just don't have the speed and flow to make it sound anything other than clunky.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCzaJh7Gj0
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#2286262 - 06/05/14 06:03 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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OMG 8 Octaves, I love that Frozen Synthesia!! I just watched it twice in a row.

It's an awesome arrangement and super fun to watch the comments on the screen! What do you think, 3 or people could maybe do it? 5? grin

So what is the significance of different colors in Synthesia? Like the purple runs up and down the keyboard? Does that mean someone played those in one take and the other colors were played in a different take? Or, was none of this ever played and the arranger just typed it in and the computer played it? (Sorry, I know nothing about Synthesia or MIDI stuff)
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#2286263 - 06/05/14 06:06 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: ShiroKuro]
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In synthesia light blue is left hand, green is right hand.

When a midi file which has multiple instruments is played they use different colours to signify each instrument.

Bad apple is a good example:

about 10 different pianos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF16HpGtuHc

Of course some REALLy fast people can play multihanded stuff IRL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFWTF8ImmBE

vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8-fnHl7mbw
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#2286271 - 06/05/14 06:21 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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Wow, Marasy8 is all fast-fingers! This one I know (it was made for Hatsune-Miku IIRC) but his version is better IMO!



But I can't stand to listen to the Ura-omote Synthesia that you linked -- sorry! No offense meant, but I dislike those computer/synth sounds. That's part of why I like the Let It Go Impossible Synthesia, because it's just piano sounds. Bad Apple is fine too, but probably even more impossible than Let It Go.

Sorry for the thread drift everyone!
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#2286286 - 06/05/14 06:53 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Mken]
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Originally Posted By: Mken
Well the things is anybody I mean anybody can knock out a tune on a piano, the difficulty is in playing well and putting together a performance which flows

This piece here I can kinda play it, but the when it gets to 1/8 and 1/16th notes I just don't have the speed and flow to make it sound anything other than clunky.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCzaJh7Gj0
I love this song! When I heard it in the anime I sought out the sheet music for it. It reminds me a lot of Clair de Lune.


Edited by Morodiene (06/05/14 06:53 PM)
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#2286290 - 06/05/14 07:02 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: ShiroKuro]
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Originally Posted By: ShiroKuro
OMG 8 Octaves, I love that Frozen Synthesia!! I just watched it twice in a row.

It's an awesome arrangement and super fun to watch the comments on the screen! What do you think, 3 or people could maybe do it? 5? grin


Isn't it fun!

I also think the video demonstrate this fact. Somehow whenever we hear stuff, it activate our emotional center that unless we have been trained to tell, we no longer listen to how many notes are coming at us, or what it might take to achieve that. We just get swept away by the emotions of it all. More sobering is to turn off the sound completely and just watch the video. The task of pressing all those notes (sure this video have more than one instruments so not exactly fair), even with the sound guiding you, your brain still has to process all the movements for your hands and fingers. Some people are literally born (hard wired) for this. The rest of us, takes years to learn it.
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#2286739 - 06/06/14 07:05 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Morodiene]
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Based on this piece and pieces like it do you recommend other pieces which are similar and at the same time at a similar level?

It is rare I hear pieces like yin's piano that make me think wow...
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#2286753 - 06/06/14 08:17 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Mken
Well the things is anybody I mean anybody can knock out a tune on a piano, the difficulty is in playing well and putting together a performance which flows

This piece here I can kinda play it, but the when it gets to 1/8 and 1/16th notes I just don't have the speed and flow to make it sound anything other than clunky.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCzaJh7Gj0
I love this song! When I heard it in the anime I sought out the sheet music for it. It reminds me a lot of Clair de Lune.



Wow! This piece of music is beautiful indeed and is reminiscent of CdL. The link for the sheets of this transcription can be found HERE for anyone that might be interested.

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#2286809 - 06/06/14 11:58 PM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Mken]
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Originally Posted By: Mken
Based on this piece and pieces like it do you recommend other pieces which are similar and at the same time at a similar level?

It is rare I hear pieces like yin's piano that make me think wow...


Hmm, there's a piece by Kevin Olson called Nocturne (probably quite a bit easier than yin - it was the only video of this piece I could find):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svZi_VjAeYU

Also by him there's Winter Moonlight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwCaMuTONz4&index=88&list=PL_M4_m6KQS9Zr6cHSP6iCCMmEW-s_6qQh

There's also quite a bit harder than Yin, but easier than CDL, Grieg's Nocturne (has a lot of 3 vs. 2 8th notes and trills):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjCoXo8kb1g

A bit jazzier, Shadows in the Rain by Edwin Mclean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODS6GnqoEbw
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#2286846 - 06/07/14 01:57 AM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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how about giving a shot at this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wynLcUWNENk

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#2286910 - 06/07/14 08:22 AM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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Thanks!

Darker than black is turning out to be a goldmine of piano arrangements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGPKcRF8unc
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#2286948 - 06/07/14 11:22 AM Re: No music backgroun but Play for my girlfriend. [Re: Bigwillo7]
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Wow, I was really surprised that the composer of Yin no Piano is Yoko Kanno!

I don't really watch anime, but I lived in Japan for 12 years and music from anime is kind of just in the air, so I've heard a fair amount of anime music (for someone who doesn't watch it). So I'm very familiar with the pianist who does the music for Cowboy Bebop, which is, you guessed it, Yoko Kanno. But I'm familiar with these pieces by her:



And



Compare these to Yin no Piano and it really shows her versatility as a composer. (And Wiki Japan lists her in the music credits for Darker than Black).

Anyway, thanks Mken for sharing Yin no Piano with us, because otherwise I doubt I'd have heard it. I think I'm going to get the score try to add it to my list of pieces to learn in the near future!

Also, Kaanguner, I think I'd like that Richter piece, but the piano sounds very computerized and although my own piano is a digital, there's something about that video that I don't like the sound. I wonder if there's another version I can hear.
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