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#2287230 - 06/08/14 06:31 AM Have a player piano? Please help me with an experiment.
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Registered: 08/19/06
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I would like to do an experiment to see if I (and other forum readers) can tell a difference between legato and staccato with the sustain pedal down.

Here are two MIDI files, one of



(Yes, I know the time signature is wrong.)

and one of



Please play them on a player piano, and record them (both the same way). Then, either upload them without identifying them, or give them to me, in a lossless codec.

Thank you for your time.


Edited by PianistOne111 (06/08/14 04:42 PM)
Edit Reason: .zip didn't work; changed to link.
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#2287240 - 06/08/14 07:23 AM Re: Have a player piano? Please help me with an experiment. [Re: PianistOne111]
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I see four quarter notes in a bar so why is the time signature wrong? BTW. the zip seems to be empty.


Edited by wimpiano (06/08/14 07:24 AM)
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#2287250 - 06/08/14 08:05 AM Re: Have a player piano? Please help me with an experiment. [Re: PianistOne111]
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Nice experiment.

But are you sure midi can handle this?

What my tech says is that the hammer hits the strings on slightly different places, depending on how you *distribute* the force on the hammer over time. For example, force at the end of the downstroke versus force at the start. I think midi does not capture this kind of detail.
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#2287416 - 06/08/14 04:46 PM Re: Have a player piano? Please help me with an experiment. [Re: PianistOne111]
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Seems like .zipped MIDI's don't work. I put a link in.

Time signature was "wrong" if anybody recognized the Rondo from the Waldstein (which is in 2-4 time).

I am sure that MIDI records attack and release times for notes and pedals. Attack velocities are the same for legato and staccato, so hammer shank flexing should be the same.
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#2287432 - 06/08/14 05:46 PM Re: Have a player piano? Please help me with an experiment. [Re: PianistOne111]
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Are you going to record Waldstein? If so, when you are finished, could you please post both a MIDI and an MP3/audio version?

Anyway, what player system do you have? Does your player system record release velocities for both the notes and the pedal?

I think posting this in the Mechanical Instruments/Player forums will get greater information, but you're welcome to post it here.

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#2287528 - 06/08/14 10:05 PM Re: Have a player piano? Please help me with an experiment. [Re: PianistOne111]
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I'm not confident enough with myself to record the Waldstein.

I don't have a player piano. That's why I'm asking someone with a player piano to play it. There are no release velocities AFAIK. If there are, they're not recorded (the keys) or they're the same (pedal).

I didn't even see the Mechanical Musical Instruments forum. I think I'll link to here.
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