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#2292753 - 06/20/14 08:51 PM Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160
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Hi everyone, I've been perusing the forums and enjoying everyone's comments. My question is regarding the purchase of a new hailun grand 161 vs a new johannes seiler gs-160. My wife and I tested both today and like the sound and action of both pianos. The price us the same $9800. From the forums I've been able to read quite a bit about the hailun and it sounds like a good entry level piano and tends to be a good value for what is being paid. I can't find much on the johannes seiler. I understand it is assembled in Indonesia. I think it is newer to the us market. It sounds nice. The particular dealer I was spewing with ( he is carrying both pianos) said his personal preference is the johannes seiler. Any thoughts? Thanks

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#2292755 - 06/20/14 09:02 PM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: Wildwest]
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#2292813 - 06/21/14 12:51 AM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: Wildwest]
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Hmmm, yeah that should say speaking smile

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#2292818 - 06/21/14 01:22 AM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: Wildwest]
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Do you play, if so approx what level? Do you have a preference?

Did you like the "feel" and touch of the Hailun or Seiler?

I haven't played a Seiler yet, but have played the Hailuns. I crossed Hailuns out of consideration because I hated the key tops and the keyboard. Felt cheap and clunky.

The tone was Ok, but still a little shallow to me.
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#2292923 - 06/21/14 10:25 AM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: Wildwest]
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Hailun has been making and marketing the 161 for nearly a decade. The model has proven to be a good piano for its price. The Seiler model hasn't been around all that long. Samick Music (SMC) rescued the German brand Seiler from bankruptcy a few years ago and took advantage of Seiler's knowledge and prestige to give its own Indonesian product a facelift. I wouldn't hold that against the Seiler/Samick models. Samick has proven in the past that it can make good pianos under a wide variety of names.

The salesman's personal preference may be just that, but it's also possible that the shop would rather move one of these pianos than the other for business reasons. You and your wife should keep playing them until your own preference emerges. My guess is that you're safe with either piano.

Originally Posted By: Wildwest
My wife and I tested both today and like the sound and action of both pianos.


Originally Posted By: Michaelha
Did you like the "feel" and touch of the Hailun or Seiler?


It would do no harm to compare the keytops of the two pianos, but I would downplay the value of comments made by someone who igores the information you already provided and posts his hatred of one of these brands. I've been playing pianos, good and not-so-good, for a long time. I've pitied some, but never hated a single one.
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#2293051 - 06/21/14 03:50 PM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: turandot]
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Originally Posted By: turandot


Originally Posted By: Michaelha
Did you like the "feel" and touch of the Hailun or Seiler?


It would do no harm to compare the keytops of the two pianos, but I would downplay the value of comments made by someone who igores the information you already provided and posts his hatred of one of these brands. I've been playing pianos, good and not-so-good, for a long time. I've pitied some, but never hated a single one.


Sorry, perhaps hate is too strong a word. I didn't like the keytops but I might be a little more sensitive to keytops. Similarly, I have a hard time playing on really old pianos with old and damaged ivory keytops. I think it's a valid feature to consider.

Somewhat related, I'm shopping for a new DSLR camera and a lot of criticism I've received from friends is they really don't like Canon's case materials, feels cheap and weak to them. And that played into picking a different brand.

Actually, I don't hate Hailun at all. I like their story, just don't love their pianos yet.
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#2293067 - 06/21/14 04:16 PM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: Wildwest]
Wildwest Offline
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Thanks for your responses. I definitely plan on spending more time playing both. I know that neither one has a real long track record, but the johannes seiler in particular seems pretty new to the market so it is tougher to know what to expect

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#2293098 - 06/21/14 05:17 PM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: Wildwest]
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In comparing the 2 tonally, I would describe the Hailun 161 as more complex and Johannes Seiler 160 as more clear. Our Johannes Seilers arrive more mellow, and we will voice the Hailuns down if we want the same warmth. The Hailun has a stronger low bass and can be dynamically louder than the Johannes Seiler, but the clear tone in the melody area of that Johannes Seiler is unusually outstanding.

They certainly have different tonal identities such that, so far, all of our customers have expressed a strong preference for one or the other.

The keytops for the Johannes are typical smooth. Hailun has very, very light texture to the naturals and ebony (naturally textured) sharps. Sometimes there is compound on the ebony that has to be rubbed off a brand new instrument, but that is only temporary. For most customers, the subtle textures are preferred.

While Johannes Seiler series is newer to the market, they are from an established brand and established maker built to compete with other mid-level makers with a combination of mid-level & premium components. It's not really a mystery as to their future - with proper maintenance, it will be a fine piano for decades to come. Given the strong push and focusing of brands from the builder, it will gain in reputation. Hailun certainly has.

Good luck in your search!
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#2293100 - 06/21/14 05:20 PM Re: Hailun 161 vs johannes seiler gs-160 [Re: Wildwest]
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I don't have tons of "seat time" with these models, but have tried both. You will note both of them (the Cunningham 5'4" is related to the Hailun 161) and the Seiler GS-160 are both Piano Buyer "Staff Picks" that, in my limited experience, performed quite well for the price.

If the dealers prepped the pianos well, and you enjoyed your experience at both stores, and you have the time, I'd go back and play a while longer on both instruments, uninterrupted, until you find the one that "fits" you (and your space) the best.
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