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#2293412 - 06/22/14 01:15 PM Chorales #20 and #21
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Eight chorales were composed yesterday, and these are the last of them. Enjoy. smile

#20:



#21:

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#2293418 - 06/22/14 01:28 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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Ok,

I can't help but comment on this.

What is the purpose of so many postings, day after day, after day? You get very few comments overall to all your threads, your works are 1 pagers (most of them), and there's no comment from you about your works. Sometimes I've commented in some of your works that I thought (personally) that they were more interesting that the rest, but this is getting a bit too much.

Ok, so you composed 8 chorals yesterday (some kind of assignment from school? grin ) Why not post all 8 of them in the same thread and save some space and efforts from multiple clicks?

After over and over again telling you that it would be best to offer a recording, you've yet to do so in your endless threads.

Certainly it provides a little life to this forgotten place of PW, but...

Can you give a proper explanation, since you're going public with your works, about all of this?

I'm a little annoyed (obviously), as well as curious on this.
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#2293434 - 06/22/14 02:36 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Nikolas]
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Hi Nikolas, I don't see any harm if this forum gets one or more new topics posted each day - whether it is from Polyphonist or others doesn't matter. His compositions are well crafted and interesting, and are obviously the work of a professional. As for the chorales I am very much a fan of the form and used to play through at least a little of J.S. Bach's 371 every day. It is better and easier to have new works in this forum spread out with one or maybe two per thread than posted all at once in one thread. Polyphonist gave a critique of my Södermalm Fantasy Ballade - and in fact he was the only person to give a response - and I intend to respond to at least some of his threads very soon having now become satisfactorily caught up on interesting topics posted in the other forums while I was absent.

On a different subject I wish the Members Recordings archived all the posts.

The recording of the Totentanz I commented on is something special yet after not too many months it will slip over the precipice.

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#2293447 - 06/22/14 03:12 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Why not post all 8 of them in the same thread and save some space and efforts from multiple clicks?

The format I post them in is 2 per thread, and I intend to continue it. More might be overwhelming. As for writing 8 chorales at one time, I was waiting in an airport for an hour yesterday and had nothing to do. Don't like them? Don't comment.

Originally Posted By: Nikolas
After over and over again telling you that it would be best to offer a recording, you've yet to do so in your endless threads.

This is false. I actually have posted quite a few recordings in my threads, both in the OPs and upon request.
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#2293458 - 06/22/14 03:45 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
After over and over again telling you that it would be best to offer a recording, you've yet to do so in your endless threads.

This is false. I actually have posted quite a few recordings in my threads, both in the OPs and upon request.


True, but I think Nikolas was talking more about the Chorales. I can sympathize with his opinion, especially for such small works. (that is, of course, if you're able to record them -- and not at an airport grin)

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#2293474 - 06/22/14 04:23 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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I'm not able to record them, I don't have a piano.
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#2293479 - 06/22/14 04:27 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
Nikolas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Why not post all 8 of them in the same thread and save some space and efforts from multiple clicks?

The format I post them in is 2 per thread, and I intend to continue it. More might be overwhelming. As for writing 8 chorales at one time, I was waiting in an airport for an hour yesterday and had nothing to do. Don't like them? Don't comment.
So... this forum is the dumb where you post anything you write while waiting for an hour in the airport? Cause this seems pretty much like what you're saying...

Originally Posted By: Nikolas
After over and over again telling you that it would be best to offer a recording, you've yet to do so in your endless threads.

This is false. I actually have posted quite a few recordings in my threads, both in the OPs and upon request.
[/quote]I do agree, and I won't go into statistical details, but in all honesty it seems that you're doing it again.

You seem to misunderstanding what a forum is all about: It's about a community. If you post endless half page/full page/two page stuff you compose wherever, comment nothing about them and offer little discussion on other works as well (we have "fought" in the past a couple of times about this), then you are not acting like a part of this very community.

Your posts seems to be more fit for a blog rather than a forum, if I may say so.
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#2293480 - 06/22/14 04:32 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Nikolas]
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Just so no one else gets confused...

Originally Posted By: Nikolas
So... this forum is the dumb dump where you post anything you write while waiting for an hour in the airport? Cause this seems pretty much like what you're saying...

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#2293486 - 06/22/14 04:48 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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heh...
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#2293489 - 06/22/14 04:51 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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I assume that's what you meant. (?)

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#2293525 - 06/22/14 06:26 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Nikolas]
Polyphonist Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Why not post all 8 of them in the same thread and save some space and efforts from multiple clicks?

The format I post them in is 2 per thread, and I intend to continue it. More might be overwhelming. As for writing 8 chorales at one time, I was waiting in an airport for an hour yesterday and had nothing to do. Don't like them? Don't comment.
So... this forum is the dumb where you post anything you write while waiting for an hour in the airport? Cause this seems pretty much like what you're saying...

What does the location where the piece is written have to do with anything?
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#2293603 - 06/22/14 10:22 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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Well,

First of all if you would be kind enough to address the whole post that could help things out a bit. But, ok...

To address your point: You're actually saying that the time spent in 8 (!) compositions, the place and the reason d'etre play absolutely no role in the quality of the composition, so as to think about using a single thread instead of 4. Ok... frown
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#2293641 - 06/22/14 11:59 PM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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Nikolas,

I sympathize and actually agree for the most part. I have commented on a number of occasions that what gets posted here by Polyphonist is certainly not his best effort. I was following his own advice and staying away from these because I don't find the melodies particularly strong. However, his comment in another thread that compared to much of what gets posted here his compositions are gold was a bit conceited, but not entirely off the mark. I too wish there were recordings and given that Polyphonist uses Sibelius we know full well one can easily be produced, so his answer to that was a bit disingenuous. IMO he would be better served posting Sibelius' output than just sheet music.

Finally, after a few tangles with the guy I figured it wasn't worth the aggravation. I comment when I have something I feel might be useful, but it's not worth getting worked up about and once in a while he posts something that actually seems a bit inspired. The man has skills, that he doesn't deign to offer us his best work is a bit frustrating, but if his behavior hasn't changed by now, it isn't going to. This is a public place, only moderators (there's a job I wouldn't be interested in) have any power. Aren't you a mod for this forum, then again he's done nothing against any rules... Take a few deep breaths and let it go.

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#2293668 - 06/23/14 01:53 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
Nikolas Offline
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I do understand what you're saying, Steve, but there's a point to be made here, as I sort of said in my previous post: This is a forum, thus a community. I've seen your face, heard your music, saw your scores and I think that if we met we would have a beer (or a juice, or whatever) have some fun, etc. In fact I've met a few PW members and hope to meet more.

So, ok, polyphonist is not that type and he likes his privacy. This is fine.

But apart from meeting and knowing each other, there's the actual community feeling of a forum. what exactly is polyphonist offering with his posts? With his negative attitude to listening to any of us telling him the same thing again and again? I'm very much ready for an explanation on why he insists on not offering recordings and why he keeps posting like that, but as far his attitude is pretty much "I do as I please since I'm not breaking any rules".

No, his not breaking any rules per se, but he is breaking any sense of community. :-/
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#2293676 - 06/23/14 02:05 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
what exactly is polyphonist offering with his posts?

Music. Can't read music? Sorry, you're out of luck. Sometimes I post recordings and sometimes I don't. When I don't, a competent musician should be able to read the music - these scores aren't very complicated.

Originally Posted By: Nikolas
No, his not breaking any rules per se, but he is breaking any sense of community. :-/

What would you like me to do that I'm not doing? Write comments along with all my works?

There exist those who appreciate what I post here, and I am not planning to stop posting just to satisfy you.
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#2293697 - 06/23/14 03:00 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
Nikolas Offline
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In which case all that you're showing is that you're not here to actually interact with anyone, but rather to do as you please... By all means carry on. I was just sayin'...
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#2293699 - 06/23/14 03:05 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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I see you're not interested in carrying this conversation any further.
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#2293701 - 06/23/14 03:10 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
Nikolas Offline
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But are you actually talking (exchanging posts... ok...) with me? I don't exactly see that. I don't see you eager to even consider changing anything, so what's the worth in carrying on with this?
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#2293702 - 06/23/14 03:11 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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I did say...

Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
What would you like me to do that I'm not doing?

Be specific, please.
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#2293705 - 06/23/14 03:19 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
Nikolas Offline
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I think it's rather clear, from my previous posts...
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#2293708 - 06/23/14 03:20 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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No, actually it's been quite obscure. All I can get out of it is that you want me to post more comments and recordings. Is that it?
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#2293770 - 06/23/14 08:42 AM Re: Chorales #20 and #21 [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
No, actually it's been quite obscure. All I can get out of it is that you want me to post more comments and recordings. Is that it?
That would be a good start. While you say any competent musician can read your easier scores the fact is they're not as easy as you seem to think and my interpretation of the music probably differs substantially from yours. In addition I'd add that the opinion of non-musicians can be important too, why exclude them? Some description of the music being posted would help us understand your compositions better. Being a member of this community means interacting in a friendly and supportive way regardless of musical style or expertise.

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