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#2293944 - 06/23/14 04:07 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
pmh Offline
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Registered: 04/12/14
Posts: 19
Loc: South Coast UK
That is a very interesting demo. Nice find Oak. Like you, clueless about the Italian but I kind of got some of it. The more I hear demo's of the Yamaha's CLP 585 sound the more I like it. Im definitely going to give it a good play this Wednesday. The video really did bring out the sustain differences however, and I wonder if there aren't a few red faces at Yamaha. Maybe they are immune. It also makes me wonder what the samples will sound like through their new transacoustic sound board. Yamaha centre London will have the new U1 TA sometime in September. Cant wait. Once again thanks for the video.

Paul H

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#2293965 - 06/23/14 04:54 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
theoak Offline
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Loc: Idaho, USA
That is what I thought too ... the CFX sustain ... lasted ... forever smile Now tuning can come into play, and again, mic placement, etc on the CFX. Also, as I am sure this CFX was NOT the one used to obtain the samples from for the 585.

The 585 appeared to have default settings. I wonder if some of the settings were tweaked (Damper resonance - appeared to be set to 5/10, Key resonance - appeared to be set to 5/10, Chorus - appeared to be Off, Reverb - appeared to be set to Recital, etc as shown briefly in the video) if the sustain could not be stretched out?

The single note I thought was pretty cool with the CFX lasting on the sustain.

The multi-key however with the CFX, had a lot more of those lower base notes that never gave up and eventually became louder than the higher notes. The 585 started out with the base real good I thought, but lost the low notes after only a few seconds. Maybe the human factor played (pun intended) here and he just did not hit the base keys quite as hard???

He also did the same thing with the CLP-575 (link below starting at the 3:15 mark), where I did seem hear the base much more this time with the multi-key, again, not lasting near as long as the CFX and not to the degree of the CFX. The 575 and 585 should in theory have the same samples for the pianos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af0LC2u9KkQ


Edit:

The 585 has the counter weights, extra instruments, and extra speakers over the 575. FYI


Edited by theoak (06/23/14 04:56 PM)

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#2294700 - 06/25/14 07:19 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: pmh]
cub Offline
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Registered: 11/25/12
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Just a quick update here. I received delivery yesterday during the day. I'm working very long hours this week so I only managed to assemble the instrument last night and a quick play at midnight and then again a quick play tonight - not enough for a proper review. Assembly took about 75 minutes - essentially by myself with my wife helping for a couple of the lifts. Everything fits together perfectly. The height adjustable stool is very solid and looks nice too.

Suffice to say that I'm loving it so far. The quality of the cabinetry and finish is very high. The sounds are beautiful (both CFX and Bosendorfer). I'm also extremely happy with the action.

I'll have some more time on Friday to play and then next week as I'm working many hours over the weekend too (84 hours for the week!). I'll post some more details in a week or so.

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#2294745 - 06/25/14 09:57 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
theoak Offline
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Registered: 06/22/10
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Loc: Idaho, USA
A few pictures would be nice too ... front, back, and sides. Also, is the keyboard cover soft falling? Of course ... when you have time.

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#2294763 - 06/25/14 10:51 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Registered: 04/12/14
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Loc: South Coast UK
Ditto with the pictures. Congrats on your new piano Cub. I had another 10 minute go on the demonstrator at the Yamaha Centre London this morning. I must say that the action is very good and closer to the Avant Grand N2 than I first thought. Someone had been messing with the internal sound as it was horribly uneven which it definitely wasn't last time I tried. I must learn how to reset the instrument. I think the action is closer to the real thing compared to the Kawai grand feel but I'm going to assess this over a period of time.

By the way, Bert Smorenberg is demonstrating the Yamaha Grand TransAcoustic at Yamaha Music London this Saturday between 12:00pm and 4:00pm if anyone is interested. You need to phone up and book a ticket. I spoke at length with the main sales guy on the piano hall level about the TransAcoustic. He has played it at exhibition and was very impressed with the quality of the digital samples through the sound board which he described as rich, deep and resonant. Looks very promising. The 'only' dark cloud on the horizon is the price of admission which will probably be another 2 grand over the silent system. The U1 SH is already near the 9K mark with the TA coming in at a nose bleeding 11k or thereabouts. For that you may as well get YUS 5 SH which is a wonderful sounding piano with a touch close to the full grand piano. The U1 TA will be available from September onwards with the Grand version being released after Christmas as far as anyone can tell.

Regards,

Paul H


Edited by pmh (06/25/14 10:54 AM)
Edit Reason: Clarity

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#2294788 - 06/25/14 11:44 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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The U1TA was scheduled for release (U.S.A.) back in April, yet we're almost in July, and nothing yet.

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#2294838 - 06/25/14 01:35 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Loc: Idaho, USA
pmh: "I think the action is closer to the real thing compared to the Kawai grand feel, but I'm going to assess this over a period of time."

This are big words. I think Yamaha has realized that Kawai has made huge efforts (with great results) and have finally worked hard here. Its about time smile

Too bad the sound was all messed up.


Instructions to Reset from the manual:

Method 1:

1. Press the [MENU] button several times to select “System Menu.”
2. Use the [^]/[Down] buttons to select “Backup,” use the [>] button to call up the next display, then use the [^]/[Down] buttons to select “Factory Set.”
3. Use the [>] button to call up the next display, then use the [^]/[Down] button select “Execute.”
4. Press the [>] button to execute the Restore operation.
A message indicating that the operation is completed appears, then the instrument will restart after a while.

Method 2:

Press and hold down the white key on the right end (C7) and press the [Power] (Standby/On) switch to turn on the power to this instrument. This operation will not delete the Songs in the User folder.

cub: Also, I am surprised the piano dealer did not assemble it for you. Did you get the polished ebony or the satin black?

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#2295615 - 06/27/14 02:30 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: theoak]
cub Offline
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I am loving this clavinova so far. Here is a link to some photos:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sadv7se6ydrpbnk/AAAS2QpJyGioldppL1eHRcGMa

I tried the pianoworld photo uploader but it would not accept the size of the files and I couldn't be bothered resizing them so its a dropbox link. Let me know if it doesn't work properly.

In relation to assembly - the dealer did offer to have the delivery boys assemble it but I preferred to do it myself.

The fit and finish of the cabinetry and the Polished Ebony is of a very high quality. The sound is just so smooth, delicate and powerful at the same time.

More comments coming...

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#2295736 - 06/27/14 11:14 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Loc: Idaho, USA
Did it come with the adjustable bench too, or did you pay extra for that?

Beautiful piano!

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#2295755 - 06/27/14 11:45 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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As I said in another post, I was curious about the new 585 and went to the shop where I could (only) tried the 575
I found its action extremely good, and really close to my N2 (which is not a 'small' reference I think)
For sure Yamaha made a great job there, and probably the 585 is even better on this side
I am now eager for your opinion about this piano after having played it some hours.

Cheers and enjoy
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#2295794 - 06/27/14 01:18 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
As I said in another post, I was curious about the new 585 and went to the shop where I could (only) tried the 575
I found its action extremely good, and really close to my N2 (which is not a 'small' reference I think)
For sure Yamaha made a great job there, and probably the 585 is even better on this side
I am now eager for your opinion about this piano after having played it some hours.

Cheers and enjoy

Hi enzo, does this mean you are even remotely thinking of changing from your N2 to a 575 or 585? Really curious as this would suggest some small dissatisfaction with the N2.

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#2295806 - 06/27/14 01:48 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: theoak]
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The adjustable stool came with the 585 at no extra cost - it was in the huge box with the piano. The salesman told me they came with the adjustable stool.
I was not aware of that from the marketing material until he told me.

Can I say the stool is very solid and sturdy with a smooth mechanism and looks quite good too. I see it as a bonus and am very pleased as I have not really been happy with the stools that came with my last clavinova (240) and the kawai ca95. It will save me buying a separate piano bench.

I played some more this afternoon and I can say I'm in love with the piano. Both the action and sound are very pleasing. I probably prefer to CFX sound to the bosendorfer but its too soon to tell for sure as I haven't yet had time to try different styles of music with each.

Even my wife immediately commented on the sound from this piano and how much better it was. She said that from the next room the sound was so realistic she thought I was playing my acoustic piano.

I'm working long hours this weekend but will update further as I get a chance to play more. whome

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#2295816 - 06/27/14 02:12 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
As I said in another post, I was curious about the new 585 and went to the shop where I could (only) tried the 575
I found its action extremely good, and really close to my N2 (which is not a 'small' reference I think)
For sure Yamaha made a great job there, and probably the 585 is even better on this side
I am now eager for your opinion about this piano after having played it some hours.

Cheers and enjoy

Hi enzo, does this mean you are even remotely thinking of changing from your N2 to a 575 or 585? Really curious as this would suggest some small dissatisfaction with the N2.


grin grin
Absolutely not....
I am really in love with my N2...
I can even, the more I play it, the more I love it..as I improve a lot my technics with that piano.
It is even far better than the AP upright I take lesson on
No..I must admit I have a GAS to change my VPC1 for a 575...
Why ??
Simple : The N2 action is quite noisy, and when I play really early in the morning, it makes too much noise...
Moreover, playing the N2 with Headphone is less pleasant.
But till I Have my N2, I find no pleasure playing the VPC1..the action seems 'unrealistic' for me now.
Whilst the 575 action is more closer to the N2...
but...It is just a GAS....for the moment wink


Edited by enzo.sandrolini (06/27/14 02:25 PM)
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#2302101 - 07/14/14 06:02 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Registered: 08/02/11
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Loc: Northants UK
Just took delivery of a Yamaha CLP585PE. I've been thinking of upgrading from my old technics for some years. I've been driving Ivory II GP's from the Technics. I'm no expert and haven't had the opportunity to try CLP next to a K CA95 or K CS10 which, as these had been my previous top picks I would have liked to do.

The action on the CLP is very precise. I think it recovers more quickly than the Kawai. As it's so different to my Technics I can't yet comment on subtly of touch. It will take a while to get the feel and exploit the full range. The weighting is well balanced and is slightly lighter than the only NU1 I've tried. I know it's not an 'authentic' grand action like the AvantGrand, but it still feels right.

The CFX sound is great. Plenty of grunt in the base, really rich and resonant. The treble is nice, perhaps a little bright, but I haven't played around with any parameters yet. I haven't hooked up Ivory II yet. It'll be interesting to compare the Steinway as I love that treble.

The Bosendorfer sounds very soft. A bit too soft for me, but again I haven't made any adjustments.

The pedals (or rather pedal - 'cause I only use the damper) seems very precise and this is difficult for me at present as they are so different to the technics.

Anyway, my first impression - Sounds Great, Feels Great, Looks great. I will certainly use the piano standalone without connection to PC unless recording to Cubase.

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#2302105 - 07/14/14 06:30 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Loc: Europe - France
Hello Adro
When I tried the 585, I though the same about the Bosendorfer sound
to improve / change it, you can tweak with following settings:
- Key sensitivity (it controls the keyboard dynamics) : increasing it make the sound much more live
- key touch => also setting it to soft1 /Soft2 make the sound alive

and if it is not enough, you have also Brightness and Brillance controls

With all these parameters I got I really really pleasant Bosenderfor (at the end, I preferred it to the CFX which requires less tuning to sound good)
Enjoy your 585...
I think I will pull the trigger myself on the 575 (in replacement of my VPC1, as I fully agree with you, I find the touch more precise, less sluggish / faster)
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#2302464 - 07/15/14 04:27 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
Adro Offline
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Loc: Northants UK
Thanks Enzo, I'll have a go with those parameters on the Bosendorfer. Did you find the 575 and 585 actions equally precise. I've not played both in the same place at the same time but I don't remember having the same instant reaction when I tried the 575.

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#2302470 - 07/15/14 04:48 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: Adro]
cub Offline
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Registered: 11/25/12
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Hi Adro,

Congrats on you new DP! I hope you enjoy it as much as I've been enjoying mine. It really has a great feel and a great sound. I just love the yamaha sound myself and the way it is right 'out of the box'. It amazes me how much others are having to tweak their high end Kawai DPs just to get a good acoustic sound.

Pete.

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#2327953 - 09/16/14 03:43 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
Paolo C Offline
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Registered: 07/04/14
Posts: 4
Hello,

I wanted to quickly share my CLP 585 purchasing experience here.

I was looking for a digital piano as close as possible in touch and sound to an acoustic one.
Fidelity of touch was actually even more important than sound quality. I had a budget of 4,000 euro (5,000 USD).
I visited a few times some shops in my region (South of France) and tested a few DP models.
In all my tests, I started by playing something on an acoustic piano, then move to a DP, play the same thing and evaluate the difference in feel and sound.
Not a very scientific approach,... just judging from my own feel and taste. For the final test, also, I asked my music teacher to come over with me.

I started by trying out some hybrid pianos, I was in fact fascinated by the Yamaha Avantgrand N2, which I found even better than most acoustic models,
but the price (12,000 euro) was well beyond my reach.
The only “hybrid” option which would fit in my budget was the Yamaha NU1, but somewhat I was not impressed with it, I found it had a bit uneven sound and response…
again, not a scientific argument, it is absolutely personal feeling, but simply I didn’t really fall in love with it.

Therefore I decided to give up on hybrid pianos for now, and turned to good quality "pure" DPs.
I finally restricted my choice to the Yamaha CLP and Roland HP series, and went to a local dealer to test them.
The dealer had no CLP 585 in stock but only other CLP models (575, 545) - and the Roland HP508.
I have to say, when I tried the CLP 545 and 575 I didn't completely like them, especially the touch didn't seem to me very realistic.
Pricewise of course, they were a very good deal, namely the 545. But, don't know how to put it, something was missing.
I also liked the Roland HP508, it was maybe a bit more realistic than the two CLPs, from the "touch" perspective, albeit still softer than the real thing.
To be clear, we are talking about some very good DPs, top of the market, but I was missing that "wow" effect that usually triggers a purchase....

I was at an impasse and couldn't really make a choice when, fortunately, the dealer received some Yamaha CLP 585's and I decided, for peace of mind, to try one.
It was amazing; in my opinion it feels under your fingers VERY different than the other CLP models, with a much more realistic touch. The speakers system is also excellent.
I did some other tests, helped also by my teacher, and the CLP 585 came out as the clear winner in the non-hybrid category (to be fair, it is also the most expensive one that we tried).
So I bought it right away.

I received my CLP 585 a couple of weeks ago and I am enthusiastic about touch response and quality of sound.
It is of course not an acoustic piano but it has a warmth of sound which is impressive, and a very realistic, vibrant touch.
I can only say good things so far, echoing the positive comments made in previous posts.

I am glad I delayed my purchase until a CLP585 was available, in my opinion this model is a far cry from the rest of the CLP series today, and it's well worth a test.
It really stands in a category of its own.

Ciao!
Paolo

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#2340810 - 10/24/14 03:07 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Hi, I wanted to make sure that I have understood corrently that the CLP-575/585 doesn't have a note by note voice tweaking? I mean the same type that e.g. the Roland HP-508 has, where you can adjust the brighness and other parameters (maybe even volume) of each note individually. This would make it easier to adjust the piano's sound in a medium size apartment building room with concrete walls.

So, the Yammies don't have this functionality?

What about any kind of narrow or wider band EQ?
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#2342093 - 10/27/14 05:26 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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I'm seriously considering upgrading from my Kawai CN33, which is much loved, to the CLP 585
I had initially decided on the Hybrid NU1 but had to return that piano as it was faulty (discussed in another thread) with sudden key loudness happening several times per min.
My main concern with the NU1 was reliability, lots of people reporting similar issues to mine on here.
So how do people feel about the reliability of the new CLP 500s?

They touch is actually amazing on it. I did also notice in the showroom that the sound was a bit muffled, but the room is a large open area and I would imagine it will sound similar to the NU1 in my home?
They speakers seem to be similar (actually may be more powerful on the 585)
The CFX Grand is a beautiful sound too, and they actually have an acoustic CFX grand in the showroom so I got to try it out too which was amazing, I was just in total awe of it.

My own feeling is that the CLP 585 touch is very similar to acoustic, and I need to change from DP to acoustic for lessons, exams and performances so I think this will suit well for my needs.

So really I just need to be happy with reliability and the speaker sound system.
I did find out on this thread how to reset to factory settings which I will try in the showroom on next visit to see if that's the problem with the sound.

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#2342097 - 10/27/14 05:40 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Why not shell out a couple more bucks for the N1? Unless you absolutely need that string patch on the CLP 585; I hear they're quite realistic, the strings. I believe there's also a sax somewhere in there.

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#2342110 - 10/27/14 06:19 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Hi Alan, I have tried out the Yamaha 586 at Yamaha Music London, and I found the sound a bit overblown in that environment. I'm sure this can be attuned to a smaller environment given the experience of those who own the 585. However, for me the touch does not quite suit. Its hard to put my 'finger' on it but there is a bounce to it that takes me out of the illusion of playing a mechanical instrument. Although one can play the 586 gently which is a good thing, after a period of play I felt the soft touch did not really resemble the gentle touch needed for an acoustic. I have come to this conclusion after playing the 585 and then rushing upstairs to play on the Yamaha grands and the upright SE 133 and then rushing back down again. Yamaha London have two floors and a basement. I always thought the Kawai grand feel was a bit on the light side but after playing on the new grands I can see where Kawai are coming from. In my assessment the grand feel does seem closer to the touch of a modern grand piano. However, the Yamaha Avant Grand N2 has in my view the very best touch of all the digitals along with a warm dynamic sound. I just wish it wasn't so darned expensive. I've know idea if any of this will be of help. Its only when you try these piano's yourself will you know which will float your boat. Good luck with your research,

Paul H

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#2342121 - 10/27/14 06:57 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Hi Pete,
I tried the N1 and thought it was amazing, but it's out of my price range.
I'm only really interested in the piano sounds, not strings or other voices or gadgets.

The N1 is actually so good it would make it difficult to switch to an upright acoustic as the N1/N2 are so much better.
I don't know why anyone actually buys acoustic uprights for their homes anymore.

And thanks pmh I agree it's hard to tell about sound in a showroom, I did like the touch on the 585 but I was comparing to upright acoustic and the NU1, they N2 is superior without a doubt, but the N2 is superior to any upright acoustic too.

so its a choice between a CLP 585 now, which meets all my needs, or wait couple of years and getting the N1 or N2 which is by far the best DP option available at the moment. But whatever I buy in this price bracket it will need to last a long time

I hadn't realised what a big decision it is!
It's great to have this site for information and advice.

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#2342125 - 10/27/14 07:13 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Keep in mind that the MSRP's on these are ridiculous ($10,000). I was once quoted $5,900 (taxes and delivery included). Sadly, the price has gone up since. They're going for a little more now. Check for a floor model; these are usually in excellent condition, and you can get substantial discounts.

On the plus side, you now get a Piaggero NP-11 with the purchase of a new hybrid (U.S.A.) Offer good thru December 31st.

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#2342149 - 10/27/14 08:25 PM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: Pete14]
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Originally Posted By: Pete14
Check for a floor model; these are usually in excellent condition, and you can get substantial discounts.


I was at my local Yamaha shop testing out the 585 and along came 2 kids. One of them started to bang loudly on one of the digital pianos, and went on to do the same to the others. The second kid, probably the sibling, followed suit.

I was quite open to floor models before, but after witnessing that, I now have some reservations.
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#2342267 - 10/28/14 05:00 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: iceporky]
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re: floor models...

I have a floor model N2 in view that I can't try at a 20% discount (based on the 10% discount you can get on a new N2) they say it was not played more than 30 mins...I asked for a pic of the black keys (below line) and they look as new. Not sure what else I could look for...a 30% discount? It hasn't moved for 3 months since discounted.
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#2342268 - 10/28/14 05:13 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Is the discount based on the MSRP ($15,000)? if so, you should get at least a 50% discount. Let me put it this way: Two years ago I received a $7,500 quote for the N2 (brand new). Granted, the price has gone up since; however, I would not pay more than $8,500/9,000 for the N2 (taxes and delivery included).

The dealer might act offended if you offer half the MSRP, but trust me, he is full of it; so is Yamaha for deliberately inflating the MSRP (a very common practice amongst piano makers).

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#2342274 - 10/28/14 06:18 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Thanks Pete14. It's off the usual retail price listed in my EU country (so about 14.5kUSD, MSRP would be 15.6kUSD). Actual transaction price would be perhaps 10-15% lower (based on full grands discounts, without negotiating).
Now Yamaha has this 'piano lemon trade in' offer where you give them the serial number of an upright which gives you a 1300USD rebate on hybrids.
I think I'll offer 6.5K EUR = 8.1kUSD for the floor model (30% off likely transaction price), although I also need to know what year it was made (post 2010 apparently avoids the 'noise gate' issue)...
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#2342295 - 10/28/14 08:09 AM Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP 585 [Re: cub]
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Yes, definitely confirm the year of manufacture. Asides from the noise gate, Yamaha might've made other improvements over the years. For example, simply having the action regulated by experienced technicians instead of the average-newbie-trainee could make a huge difference in how the piano plays out of the box.

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