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#2295142 - 06/26/14 01:27 AM Yamaha CP4 stage
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How is CP4 compared to other DP?

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#2295164 - 06/26/14 03:36 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Depends what you want it for and are comparing? State some requirements and budget.

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#2295165 - 06/26/14 03:38 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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#2295184 - 06/26/14 05:12 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Want the best piano sounds and action.

Comparing against Motif XF and CLP585.

Budget USD2300.

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#2295194 - 06/26/14 07:10 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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The CP4 is a stage piano. It doesn't have speakers but it does have a nice action, three different sampled pianos, and a lot of extra voices.

The Motif XF has two of the sampled pianos that are in the CP4, but has a balanced keyboard, not a piano-type action.

The CLP-585 has the CFX sample that's in the CP4, and also a Bosendorfer. It has some piano features the CP4 and the Motif XF don't have, like Virtual Resonance Modeling. It doesn't have as many extra voices. It's in a big cabinet with speakers.

The CP4 and Motif XF are intended to be portable - the CLP-585 isn't. It sounds like the CLP-585 is your best bet unless you want portability. If that's the case, try the CP4.

Any reason you're only choosing from Yamahas?

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#2295237 - 06/26/14 09:19 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Originally Posted By: motifmm6
Want the best piano sounds and action.

Comparing against Motif XF and CLP585.

Budget USD2300.


The CP4 action didn't feel very piano like to me at all last time I tried it. Maybe I'm missing something but don't know why some on here recommend it for that purpose.

I'll hope to give the CP4 another try and the new 585 when I get the chance but I'd think the 585 should feel much more realistic. It'd also be way over your budget though.

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#2295345 - 06/26/14 02:20 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: Enthusiast]
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Originally Posted By: Enthusiast
Originally Posted By: motifmm6
Want the best piano sounds and action.

Comparing against Motif XF and CLP585.

Budget USD2300.


The CP4 action didn't feel very piano like to me at all last time I tried it. Maybe I'm missing something but don't know why some on here recommend it for that purpose.

I'll hope to give the CP4 another try and the new 585 when I get the chance but I'd think the 585 should feel much more realistic. It'd also be way over your budget though.

Being picky, but best action does not equate to best 'piano-like' action. I don't think any DP action is realistically piano-like despite all the hubris on this board about some of them. But many of them are extremely playable with great connection to the sounds. The CP4 falls in that category IMHO (as with quite a few others).

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#2295394 - 06/26/14 04:24 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Originally Posted By: Enthusiast
Originally Posted By: motifmm6
Want the best piano sounds and action.

Comparing against Motif XF and CLP585.

Budget USD2300.


The CP4 action didn't feel very piano like to me at all last time I tried it. Maybe I'm missing something but don't know why some on here recommend it for that purpose.

I'll hope to give the CP4 another try and the new 585 when I get the chance but I'd think the 585 should feel much more realistic. It'd also be way over your budget though.

Being picky, but best action does not equate to best 'piano-like' action. I don't think any DP action is realistically piano-like despite all the hubris on this board about some of them. But many of them are extremely playable with great connection to the sounds. The CP4 falls in that category IMHO (as with quite a few others).


Yes but I think the OP was looking for a more piano like action (very few details given). At the price of the CP4 I'd think there were more realistic actions if that is what he's looking for.

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#2295435 - 06/26/14 06:07 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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I think if you're comparing the CP4, you need to compare it to other stage pianos in that price range. The others you listed, one is a synth (Motif) and the other is a console piano (not stage) and well out of the price range of $2300.

Now we know your budget, and you want a piano with a great piano feel and sound. Do you need a stage (portable) or console? If stage, does it need to be lightweight? Will you be gigging with it, or is it for home use?

We can recommend some other DPs to compare with the CP4 if we have a bit more info. AFAIK, the CP4's sounds are OK, feel is OK, and it's lightweight compared with other brands in its class. But there are better stage pianos that are heavier/bigger in your price range.
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#2295493 - 06/26/14 08:05 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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I want a DP for home use. But price and space are constraints. So lower price and smaller footprint are better. Lightweight is good, but not my consideration.

For sounds and actions, I want the best I can get at the price range.

AFAIK, Motif and CLP series are known for top quality sounds and feel. At least for Yamaha. Not sure whether CP4 surpasses Motif and CLP in terms of feel and sounds.

What other options besides the CP4 fit the bill.

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#2295505 - 06/26/14 08:35 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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VPC1 + software piano.
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#2295532 - 06/26/14 09:21 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
VPC1 + software piano.


That was my first thought, too. If you have an adequate computer (not too demanding, for Pianoteq), the only additional cost is for loudspeakers, if you need them.

. Charles

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#2295563 - 06/26/14 10:52 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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motifmm6, your username makes me think you like MOTIF synthesizers. The MOXF8 has the CFIII and S6 sample set and GHS action. Not Yamaha's best graded action, but also not their worst. Some people here like GHS a lot. It fits your budget at $1,700.

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#2295567 - 06/26/14 11:04 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: David Farley]
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Originally Posted By: David Farley
motifmm6, your username makes me think you like MOTIF synthesizers. The MOXF8 has the CFIII and S6 sample set and GHS action. Not Yamaha's best graded action, but also not their worst. Some people here like GHS a lot. It fits your budget at $1,700.


At $1,700 budget it would also be wise to to take a thorough look at the Kawai MP7. It's a great stage piano with a hint of workstation for an extremely fair price.
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#2295578 - 06/26/14 11:33 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Another vote for VPC + some software piano. You'll get a great piano action and great piano sound. After buying the software and accessories needed, you'll be at or below your max price.
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#2295599 - 06/27/14 01:31 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Good suggestions, all. But I prefer to have just a slab piano and playing off the stock sounds without the need to attach it to a computer. Less wires, less mess.

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#2295612 - 06/27/14 02:15 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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MP11, RD-800, CP4.

Take your pick.
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#2295726 - 06/27/14 10:28 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: David Farley]
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Originally Posted By: David Farley
The MOXF8 has...GHS action. Not Yamaha's best graded action, but also not their worst. Some people here like GHS a lot.

Opinions about GHS do vary, but which do you think is their worst?

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#2295760 - 06/27/14 11:57 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: David Farley
The MOXF8 has...GHS action. Not Yamaha's best graded action, but also not their worst. Some people here like GHS a lot.

Opinions about GHS do vary, but which do you think is their worst?



I had a graded hammer effect board for a while. It was playable but had a really weird feel - white keys too loose, black keys too stiff. GHE is one step down from GHS. I've played GH and NW+GH which are progressively better, so I'm figuring GHS is somewhere in between GHE and GH.

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#2295763 - 06/27/14 12:11 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Just noticed there's a long discussion of GHS going on elsewhere that I hadn't looked at.

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#2295768 - 06/27/14 12:19 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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GH and GHE are two names for the same thing. GHS is a "step down" from those, at least in price. Whether it is a step down in quality is subjective as usual, as there are some people who prefer the GHS to the GH/GHE, i.e. finding the latter too heavy feeling.

edit: here's a link from Yamaha

http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musi...s/p-80/330/6575


Edited by anotherscott (06/27/14 12:20 PM)

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#2295771 - 06/27/14 12:23 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: anotherscott]
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GH and GHE are two names for the same thing. GHS is a "step down" from those, at least in price. Whether it is a step down in quality is subjective as usual, as there are some people who prefer the GHS to the GH/GHE, i.e. finding the latter too heavy feeling.

edit: here's a link from Yamaha

http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/musi...s/p-80/330/6575


My mistake - I just looked it up. I had Graded Soft Touch. Apparently no hammers were involved.

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#2296398 - 06/29/14 01:32 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Anyone knows whether the CP4 sounds are better than CLP5xx or Motif XF?

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#2296404 - 06/29/14 02:02 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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Before I sold my CP5 the first time two years back, I had an S90ES for about a week. I A/B ed all the *extra* sounds ranging from strings, horn/brass, pads, clav, wurli & rhodes and basses. With the exception of a few synth sounds, guitar sounds and exotic pads (that I never would use anyway) - the CP5 was equal or a tad clearer then all that was in the 90ES. After coming to that conclusion after repeated listening in the week - I sold the 90ES.

I realize the XF is two generations newer then the ES, but then quite a few of the extra sounds on the CP4 range from being a tad clearer, to noticeably fatter sounding then the CP5.

I think you'll get a wider variety of individual sounds on the Motif XF, but I'd bet the CP4 would be right there with the majority of core sounds.
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#2296655 - 06/29/14 04:57 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: anotherscott]
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if you don't want to mess with wires and extraneous stuff, you might want to look at the Roland FP-80. i've played it several times and have become quite enamored with it. it has a nice although somewhat light action and is very playable and its on-board speakers sound really very good with its supernatural pianos. so you wouldn't necessarily need to hook up additional speakers if you didn't want to. its a tad pricey (like most roland boards) but is worth looking at in the $2000 range. the cp4 probably works better as a stage piano in a group/combo setting as it probably cuts through other instruments better. I dont care much for its action. if you are looking mainly for a solo piano sound the FP-80 has value.
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#2297151 - 07/01/14 01:09 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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How many Pianoworld forummers using CP4 currently?

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#2297159 - 07/01/14 01:54 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: Dave Ferris]
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"Before I sold my CP5 the first time two years back, I had an S90ES for about a week. . . . . . the CP5 was equal or a tad clearer then all that was in the 90ES. After coming to that conclusion after repeated listening in the week - I sold the 90ES."

I`d be inconsolable if I did that . . !
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#2297174 - 07/01/14 03:45 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: peterws]
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"Before I sold my CP5 the first time two years back, I had an S90ES for about a week. . . . . . the CP5 was equal or a tad clearer then all that was in the 90ES. After coming to that conclusion after repeated listening in the week - I sold the 90ES."

I`d be inconsolable if I did that . . !

There are a couple, but more over on Keyboard Corner forums.

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#2297229 - 07/01/14 08:46 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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How many Pianoworld forummers using CP4 currently?


I have one. I like it a lot. I mostly use it with headphones and it stays at home. The CP4 and the other high end stage pianos people mentioned here, are all similar, but not equivalent in all of their features and overall feel, so it's best if you try to find a place where you can try some of them out.

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#2297288 - 07/01/14 11:18 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 stage [Re: motifmm6]
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cp4 vs fp 80?

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