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Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) #2300067 07/09/14 02:48 AM
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OP Mark_C Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 24,600 New York	In one of the threads on Chopin's Etude in F minor, Op. 25 #2, I posted this video which has performances by 22 "historical" pianists. I can only identify a few (as indicated below) even though there are pics of all of them. Can y'all fill in the blanks? And of course please say if you think any of the ones that I named are wrong! (My ID's in regular font; added ID's in bold) 1. ?? (Looks a bit like Kissin but I don't think he's "Historical" yet) It's BACKHAUS (added by Outo) 2. (1:15) Brailowsky 3. (2:41) ARRAU (added by Maxmila) 4. (4:08) RAOUL KOCZALSKI (added by JoelW) 5. (5:30) BOLESLAW WOYTOWICZ (the final missing piece! added by Maxmila) 6. (6:52) Francis Planté 7. (8:37) JEANNE-MARIE DARRÉ (added by wr) 8. (10:17) Cortot 9. (11:39) EUGEN D'ALBERT (added by Maxmila) 10. (14:08) Godowsky? (confirmed by Joel) 11. (15:49) ?? Sofronitsky ?? No, COLIN HORSLEY (added by Outo) 12. (17:34) Paderewski 13. (19:12) ROBERT LORTAT (Outo) 14. (20:42) IRENE SCHARRER (Outo) 15. (22:12) PACHMANN (Outo) 16. (23:16) Moriz Rosenthal 17. (24:58) DAVID SAPERTON (son-in-law of Godowsky) (added by MikeN) 18. (26:33) Emil von Sauer 19. (28:03) "SOLOMON" (Solomon Cutner) (Outo) 20. (29:27) YOURA GULLER (added by wr) 21. (31:30) GIESEKING (Outo) 22. (32:50) ROSITA RENARD (wr) Last edited by Mark_C; 07/09/14 09:31 PM.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300069 07/09/14 02:52 AM
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outo 4000 Post Club Member O Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,765 Finland	This might take a while but 1. Wilhelm Backhaus

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300070 07/09/14 02:55 AM
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JoelW 6000 Post Club Member Joined: May 2012 Posts: 6,177	4. Raoul Koczalski

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) outo #2300071 07/09/14 02:56 AM
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OP Mark_C Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 24,600 New York	Originally Posted by outo This might take a while but 1. Wilhelm Backhaus WOW! Backhaus ever looked like THAT? I always thought of him as an old guy. I guess I assumed he was born 70 years old and playing late Schubert.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300072 07/09/14 02:59 AM
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JoelW 6000 Post Club Member Joined: May 2012 Posts: 6,177	Mark, 10 is indeed Godowsky.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) JoelW #2300074 07/09/14 03:01 AM
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outo 4000 Post Club Member O Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,765 Finland	20 Is that a bad photo of Michelangeli? I am at work and cannot really listen... Last edited by outo; 07/09/14 03:01 AM.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) outo #2300076 07/09/14 03:04 AM
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OP Mark_C Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 24,600 New York	Originally Posted by outo 20 Is that a bad photo of Michelangeli? I am at work and cannot really listen... The guy with the dark glasses?? (Can't see that being him.)

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300077 07/09/14 03:07 AM
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Nikolas 6000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 6,562 UK	No. 5 looks OH SO Brit, but I don't know who he is... No. 2 looked a little like a young Michelangeli, but I don't think it's him, because of the lack of the moustache. No. 7 Alichia de Larrocha No. 14 Fanny Davies perhaps??!?!? No. 20 doesn't look like Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli... :-/ Last edited by Nikolas; 07/09/14 03:08 AM. http://www.musica-ferrum.com

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Nikolas #2300079 07/09/14 03:15 AM
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OP Mark_C Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 24,600 New York	Originally Posted by Nikolas No. 2 looked a little like a young Michelangeli, but I don't think it's him, because of the lack of the moustache It's definitely Alexander Brailowsky. Quote No. 7 Alichia de Larrocha Even though you're even saying it without a question mark ....I doubt it's her. Let's see what other people say. Quote No. 14 Fanny Davies perhaps??!?!? I barely heard of her, actually not sure I ever did. But, judging from online images of her, I think you could be right. I'll wait before adding her name, but I have a feeling you're right. Quote No. 20 doesn't look like Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli... :-/ I agree. In fact it's hard for me to imagine that guy being a classical pianist at all, looks more like a lounge guy.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300080 07/09/14 03:20 AM
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MikeN 1000 Post Club Member M Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,126 Ohio	No.3 looks an awful lot like Rubinstein to me. No.17 is a picture of David Saperton, Godowsky's son-in-law. It sounds rather tame for him to me. Last edited by MikeN; 07/09/14 03:24 AM.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300083 07/09/14 03:21 AM
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Polyphonist 9000 Post Club Member P Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 9,328 New York City	Originally Posted by Mark_C Quote No. 14 Fanny Davies perhaps??!?!? I barely heard of her, actually not sure I ever did. But, judging from online images of her, I think you could be right. I'll wait before adding her name, but I have a feeling you're right. Could be Myra Hess. Regards, Polyphonist

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) MikeN #2300084 07/09/14 03:24 AM
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OP Mark_C Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 24,600 New York	Originally Posted by MikeN No.3 looks an awful lot like Rubinstein to me. Dunno, I don't see him in that. I think this guy is more "classic looking" than him. Let's see if we get more 'votes' for Rubinstein....

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300085 07/09/14 03:24 AM
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outo 4000 Post Club Member O Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,765 Finland	Originally Posted by Mark_C [quote=Nikolas] Quote No. 20 doesn't look like Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli... :-/ I agree. In fact it's hard for me to imagine that guy being a classical pianist at all, looks more like a lounge guy. You need to look beyond the fashion of the times I don't know who else it could be...I think I have seen that photo before... Found some crappy earphones and the playing surely could be him... even with the horrible sound quality it's quite beautiful... Edit: The only other one that I think looks even remotely like that would be Samson Francois...But I don't think it is... Last edited by outo; 07/09/14 03:29 AM.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300086 07/09/14 03:24 AM
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Polyphonist 9000 Post Club Member P Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 9,328 New York City	Originally Posted by Mark_C Originally Posted by MikeN No.3 looks an awful lot like Rubinstein to me. Dunno, I don't see him in that. I think this guy is more "classic looking" than him. Let's see if we get more 'votes' for Rubinstein.... Definitely not Rubinstein. Regards, Polyphonist

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Polyphonist #2300087 07/09/14 03:28 AM
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MikeN 1000 Post Club Member M Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,126 Ohio	Yes, I'd agree. The hair is a giveaway. I'll repost that 17 is Saperton, as I doubt my edit will be seen.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) outo #2300088 07/09/14 03:33 AM
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outo 4000 Post Club Member O Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,765 Finland	21 Walter Gieseking?

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Polyphonist #2300089 07/09/14 03:33 AM
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OP Mark_C Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 24,600 New York	Originally Posted by Polyphonist Originally Posted by Mark_C Quote No. 14 Fanny Davies perhaps??!?!? I barely heard of her, actually not sure I ever did. But, judging from online images of her, I think you could be right. I'll wait before adding her name, but I have a feeling you're right. Could be Myra Hess. It sure could! I think it could be either, even though they don't look alike at all: Myra Hess: Fanny Davies: BTW it seems Davies was usually photo'ed at an angle, maybe because head-on she could look a little scary: EDIT: I'm going more with Hess. The pianist up there doesn't have that 'scary' look at all. But how about let's wait before labeling it.... Last edited by Mark_C; 07/09/14 03:36 AM.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) Mark_C #2300090 07/09/14 03:34 AM
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JoelW 6000 Post Club Member Joined: May 2012 Posts: 6,177	Does anyone else think some of those are played way too fast? Maybe I just love this etude too much.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) JoelW #2300092 07/09/14 03:38 AM
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OP Mark_C Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 24,600 New York	Originally Posted by JoelW Does anyone else think some of those are played way too fast? Maybe I just love this etude too much. My main problem with most of them is that they don't bring out the cross-rhythm at all. (Some of them do.) Besides that, I think almost all the performances are lovely. I think it's an awesome collection.

Re: Can you ID more of these 22 pianists? (Chopin Etude 25/2) outo #2300096 07/09/14 04:05 AM
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