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#2300135 - 07/09/14 07:08 AM Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings
Abby Pianoman Offline
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Lower the Topboard to 1.
Raise Low EQ to 10, Hi Eq to -3, MID 1 to +3, Mid 2 also +3. 
Touch: Heavy. Voicing: Dynamic. Hammer delay:2.
String Resonance:8, Damper Resonance:3, Damper noise:5.
Reverb : Concert Hall. Depth 32, Time 3010ms.
EFX: Autopan, Type: Classic, Depth:24, Speed 0.79 Hz. The EFX Low Eq 0, High Eq 5.Key off eff: 5.
Fallback Noise 5.
The rest are the normal factory settings.

And try playing around with Hammer Delay. Factory settings for Hammer Delay are 1. But a Hammer delay of between 2 and 4, regardless if you're playing Pianissimo or Rocking may give you a pleasant surprise.

Maybe others on this Forum could add their settings or opinion on this subject. These are my personal settings and I'm still working to improve them. But they provide a starting point.
I started off with tips I got from others, added them together, input some of my own, and ended up with this.


Edited by Abby Pianoman (07/09/14 12:27 PM)

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#2300137 - 07/09/14 07:19 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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A higher Damper Resonance will create a balooning or booming sound on the F3 note. That's why I lowered it to 3.


Edited by Abby Pianoman (07/09/14 12:25 PM)

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#2312372 - 08/07/14 10:26 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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The setup above is excellent. I am using this with yamaha hs5 speakers and hs8s sub. The speakers are on angled stands on either side of the keyboard with the tweeter slightly above the top of the keyboard. The speaker setup is:
** hs5: room control and high trim off, 6db for level
** sub: low pass off, high cut 90, 1 tick below center for level

My only changes to the setup are:
**Low EQ: 3, Hi Eq: 2, MID 1: -1, Mid 2: -1 Also change the bandwidth to m1: 350 and m2: 850 (the speakers have a lot of built in mid, and the sub produces a lot of base)
**Reverb : Room. Depth 32, Time 1297ms (the only difference I found in the hall vs room vs lounge is the echo effect, which I didn't like in a room.)

This setup in a medium sized room gives a very realistic grand piano sound. The auto pan and dynamic response transform the keyboard.

I also made the octave and amp changes in the sound setup:
Octave: on level: 60
Dca decay, Dca release: 2

An octave above 70 makes the volume too high.


Edited by Bill Jacobs (08/07/14 08:31 PM)

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#2312438 - 08/07/14 01:05 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Thanks Bill.

Didn't see this before.
Will try it on my next gig.

Regards.

Abby

PS: I have lowered my low EQ to 5. The 10 I was using was too much.

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#2312657 - 08/07/14 08:52 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Interesting stuff, thank you for sharing chaps. How about some recorded examples? wink

By the way, are you applying the Autopan EFX to acoustic piano sounds?

Cheers,
James
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#2312675 - 08/07/14 09:41 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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It would be very worthwhile for other MP11 owners to try out the individual 88 note volume adjustment in SYSTEM/ UserEdit/ KeyVolume settings. It is easy and balances the volume wonderfully by reducing the volume in the lower section of the keyboard, and raising the mid and high notes.
Without messing about too much with the EQ.

Then there's the Touch Curve in : SYSTEM/ UserEdit/ TouchCurve.
Which lets you play while it senses your touch dynamics.
Which you can save as Sys.User 1 to 5.

Great stuff.

I've done all that and now this MP11 is a meaner, leaner,gigging machine.

I'm pretty , pretty, pretty pleased right now with this board.

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#2312685 - 08/07/14 10:00 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Kawai James]
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I'm applying the Autopan with a Depth of 12 and low EQ at 2 and high EQ at 1.

Speed is at 1.03Hz

It is a discreet Autopan which works wonderfully on the Concert Grand for me.

It accentuates the string vibration/resonance and gives a better overall Acoustic Piano sound. Especially with the lid closed or open on 1.
The closed lid or slightly opened gives a richer sound.

I find that opening the lid wider creates a bit of a harsh sound.

I'm still editing the sound every day, but I now name the edits and save them to USB before starting on a new edit.

They're getting to be quite a collection.

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#2312695 - 08/07/14 10:58 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
Kawai James Offline
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Originally Posted By: Abby Pianoman
I'm applying the Autopan with a Depth of 12 and low EQ at 2 and high EQ at 1.

Speed is at 1.03Hz

It is a discreet Autopan which works wonderfully on the Concert Grand for me.

It accentuates the string vibration/resonance and gives a better overall Acoustic Piano sound. Especially with the lid closed or open on 1.
The closed lid or slightly opened gives a richer sound.


Interesting...I'll have to give that a try!

Cheers,
James
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#2312833 - 08/08/14 08:02 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Bill Jacobs]
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Funny thing. Before having read your post I had also lowered the low EQ to 5, High to 2, Mid 1 to 1, Mid 2 to1.

I play around with the Low EQ a bit, depending on whether I play in a room or if I do an outdoor concert.
Playing outdoors requires a higher low EQ setting.

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#2313079 - 08/08/14 04:37 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Originally Posted By: Abby Pianoman
I'm applying the Autopan with a Depth of 12 and low EQ at 2 and high EQ at 1.

Speed is at 1.03Hz

It is a discreet Autopan which works wonderfully on the Concert Grand for me.

It accentuates the string vibration/resonance and gives a better overall Acoustic Piano sound. Especially with the lid closed or open on 1.
The closed lid or slightly opened gives a richer sound.

I find that opening the lid wider creates a bit of a harsh sound.

I'm still editing the sound every day, but I now name the edits and save them to USB before starting on a new edit.

They're getting to be quite a collection.


I have tried Abby's piano settings and found them to be quite workable...after I turned off the Autopan. To me, the Autopan made the piano sound out of tune and just a bit weird altogether. As soon as I turned off the Autopan, the piano tuned itself up and sounded good!

So, to each his own.

Abby, when I sent you my settings, I forgot to mention that there is a custom 88-key volume curve selected, which definitely impacts bass response (to which you said you had made some adjustments).

The problem is that although the user 88-key volume curve will show as being selected, it won't really be active on your instrument because it's drawing on settings that are set in the System menu. The System Menu settings are not included in a single Setup file, which is what we exchanged. If you also had my custom 88-key individual note volume curve active, your need to make adjustments to the bass would probably have been different.

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#2313237 - 08/08/14 11:54 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Savante]
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Thanks Savante.

I love your settings and do not feel any need to change anything. They sound great on my rig. Great work.

I make subtle adjustments of Bass or Treble on my mixer.
But they are mainly to do with the acoustics of the different venues I play at.

The Autopan in the settings I sent you was on depth 20 or 24.
Which I later found was a bit too much. A depth of 10 or 12 is what I use now.
Please feel free to suggest any other useful Effect.

I think the default effect was Enhacer. But I'm not sure.

Regards.

Abby.

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#2323084 - 09/02/14 11:12 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Just got the mp11, the keuboard is excelent but so far cant get a satisfatory sound, can you guys send me a couple of your user settings? Would make my life easier!

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#2323104 - 09/02/14 12:06 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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And my MP11 arrives tomorrow. Yipee!

I too would like to get started on the right foot with settings. I will start off working with Abby's settings that were kindly shared. I wish there was an MP11 user group, even a facebook group, where settings can be easily shared.

I am very excited.
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#2323118 - 09/02/14 12:44 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Scorpio, I tried to start a thread dedicated to MP11 owners and potential buyers, similar to the thriving MP7 thread I see on this forum, but it ended up as a thread about humidifiers. I will upload my old and current piano settings as well as setups to you when you receive your MP11.

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#2323156 - 09/02/14 02:17 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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I was extremely disappointed with the default sound but messing with the settings really brought it to life.
Really sounding nice in the headphones. Dont know if was the autopan that did it, but the sound is perfect for my jazz jams.


Edited by The Emperor (09/02/14 02:17 PM)

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#2323331 - 09/02/14 08:27 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
Kawai James Offline
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I'd still love to hear some recordings of these customised sounds. wink

Cheers,
James
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Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#2323348 - 09/02/14 09:11 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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I found that the Autopan Depth is better between 12 and 20 and a Speed of 1.03.

Upped the Reverb (Concert Hall) Depth to 50, length somewhere around or near 3600, and Pre-Delay between 15 and 20ms.

I lowered the Low EQ to 3 as well, Per Bill's settings.
The low Mids and high Mids both at 2.
Sometimes though, the low EQ is best left at 0.

Bandwidth at Mid: 350 and High: 850 from Bill is also good, though I sometimes put it at 750 for Mid and 2000 for high, to have a flat line from high mid to high.
Or slightly pointing upwards.

The reason for my constant editing is the different venues that I play in.

I ALWAYS have a USB stick with me and ALWAYS save my settings before editing. It is very important to name and save your settings at all times.

I have now created my own Touch Curve as SysUser in System settings and also adjusted individual Key Volume by gently incrementing the Octaves above C4 while also gently lowering the volume below C4.

It requires a bit of experimenting to find the perfect balance that works for you.Mine is now perfectly balanced just the way I like it.

I'm not sure if one can save to USB and upload the System settings, but the Edits ( Reverb, etc) yes.

This Kawai now sounds so beautiful that I can't wait to go gig on it every night. Combine that with the Grand Feel Action and you have a winner that is very hard to beat.

My MP11 now sounds amazing. Love it.

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#2323355 - 09/02/14 09:29 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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All these settings are for the Concert Grand.
Depending on the kind of music you may want to play, it is also worth it, every now and then to try switching between Dynamic, Bright 1, or Normal, to see what suits the song best.

I played almost the entire evening tonight using Bright 1.
I pushed the button by accident, went "Hey that's nice" and just stayed with it for the rest of the night.

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#2323505 - 09/03/14 04:49 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: scorpio]
Kawai James Offline
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Originally Posted By: scorpio
I wish there was an MP11 user group, even a facebook group, where settings can be easily shared.


How about posting to the Kawai MP facebook page?

Cheers,
James
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Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#2323651 - 09/03/14 11:57 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Is there anyway to increase the recording level or the output level?
The sound is so low in the files i record either in the usb or when conected to the mac.

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#2323737 - 09/03/14 03:53 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: The Emperor]
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Originally Posted By: The Emperor
Is there anyway to increase the recording level or the output level?
The sound is so low in the files i record either in the usb or when conected to the mac.


Have you installed the newest operating system, version 1.07? The output level has been significantly increased over previous OS releases.

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#2323745 - 09/03/14 04:23 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Yes i did, i think the problem was i was recording with headphones, the volume is so high that way.
Through my home system i can get a nice waveform, i just have to crank it up a bit.

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#2323824 - 09/03/14 08:22 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
Kawai James Offline
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The Emperor, when recording WAV/MP3 audio to a USB stick, try the 'Gain' function (knob D) to increase the volume level. You should also ensure that the volume fader for the selected sound section is in its maximum position.

As for recording the output sound to your Mac (via Line Out or XLR), again set the volume fader for the current sound section(s) to the maximum position. As Savante notes, the recent v1.07 update increases the gain of the output jacks, so if you have not done so already, I recommend updating to the latest version.

Kind regards,
James
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"Richard, none of us could forget you have a CLP-990." - EssBrace, 2014

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#2323957 - 09/04/14 07:51 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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Love the MP11.
I do wish though, that Kawai had put some more work into the Reverbs. Adding high and low EQ into the reverb.

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#2323958 - 09/04/14 07:54 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
Kawai James Offline
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Abby, separate EQ just for the reverb? I'm not sure if that's technically possible, or even how it would sound.

Could you not apply EQ as an EFX module?

Cheers,
James
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#2324013 - 09/04/14 11:35 AM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Kawai James]
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Didn't think of that. Will try it out.

What I really meant to say, in my clumsy way, is that I wished the reverb was a little brighter. Nothing wrong with the reverb as it is though. I got no problem with it.

Thanks James.

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#2333377 - 10/02/14 01:22 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
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I know this may be a tall order, but I was hoping someone might make a quick and dirty video tutorial, explaining how to adjust all these settings, and where they are, and what they do. James, I tip my hat to your team's engineering prowess, but I must say I find the interface on the MP11 a little challenging.

I get especially confused with trying to adjust the EQ, EFX, and naming and storing my settings and patches. It doesn't have to be a fancy video or long, maybe someone can use their phone who understands this better than I and upload it to YouTube for all of us?

Thanks in advance!
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#2333517 - 10/02/14 08:23 PM Re: Kawai MP11. My EQ And Other Virtual Technician Settings [Re: Abby Pianoman]
Kawai James Offline
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Markarian, I would love to prepare some explanation videos for the MP11/MP7. However to do really do the instruments justice requires quite a lot of time and planning, and right now I'm rather swamped with other projects.

May I ask what aspect of the MP11 you find to be challenging, though?
The MP instruments aim for intuitive, direct operation, with the suggestion being that once you familiarise yourself with the panel, you shouldn't really need to reference the owner's manual.

Kind regards,
James
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Nord Electro 3 fan & occasional rare groove player.

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