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#2300577 - Today at 05:08 AM Multiple sound engines?
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I was wondering... are there any digital pianos with multiple sound engines? That would be great. When I was searching for digital piano for myself there were 2 main factors- sound and keyboard. And none of the instruments were perfect in that regard. For example I would take Kawai DP with Roland sound, I mean it wouldn't have to be Roland but you get my point? When in acoustic instruments it's impossible, then in digital ones IT IS possible, then why aren't there any digital pianos with 2 or more sound engines? It's not worth the effort?

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#2300583 - Today at 06:05 AM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
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It's not normal to have a completely different sound engine, but some DPs - especially stage pianos - have different sample sets. Nord pianos have different sample sets of very different character and are designed to be open ended: ie you can download alternative sounds and sample sets. This is mostly useful for professional gigging.

The Roland RD800 apparently has at least 2 SN pianos (rather than variations on the same one) as well as a version of the Virtual Piano. There will also be less remarkable piano samples as well (pop piano, honky tonk piano etc).

But if you want to experiment in this area, linking up to a computer is the obvious way to go. For relatively little extra money (more or less $100 a time) you can get completely new, different, alternative sound engines: Ivory II (industry standard virtual piano), True Keys (competition for Ivory), Galaxy Vintage D (the VST of choice on this forum, probably), Pianoteq (state of the art modelled pianos and other instrument sets).

But it depends what exactly you mean by 'sound engine' in this context.
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#2300605 - Today at 08:14 AM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: toddy]
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Well I mean completely different sampled sound, not just variations of one piano. Is there a way to put those "sound engines" from computer into digital instrument? Never heard of such possibility.

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#2300618 - Today at 08:39 AM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
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As I said above, I think you can do that with Nord - great for gigging. And the Roland RD800, for example, has pianos from different original sources onboard, and of fundamentally different types.

However, the obvious way to explore this easily and cheaply is with a computer - which can be a smartphone, I'd have thought, these days - certainly a pad of some sort would be OK.
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#2300631 - Today at 09:13 AM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
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Originally Posted By: Nordomus
I was wondering... are there any digital pianos with multiple sound engines? That would be great. When I was searching for digital piano for myself there were 2 main factors- sound and keyboard. And none of the instruments were perfect in that regard. For example I would take Kawai DP with Roland sound, I mean it wouldn't have to be Roland but you get my point? When in acoustic instruments it's impossible, then in digital ones IT IS possible, then why aren't there any digital pianos with 2 or more sound engines? It's not worth the effort?


But if you did specifically want the Roland sound with a different brand action, this would solve that problem for you. Basically the cost of another DP, but it's packed with fun things.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Integra7

Like others noted, if you're looking for boards with multiple sample sets, those exist. My CP4 has the CFX, CFIII and S6. (By astonishing coincidence these all happen to be Yamaha pianos, though...)

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#2300644 - Today at 09:38 AM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
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The Nord Stage 2 has multiple sound engines.

1. Synth with waveform compatibility
2. B-3
3. Piano (yamaha, bosendorfer and steinway)

Whats more it has 2 of each

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#2300721 - Today at 12:52 PM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: toddy]
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Originally Posted By: toddy


The Roland RD800 apparently has at least 2 SN pianos (rather than variations on the same one) as well as a version of the Virtual Piano. There will also be less remarkable piano samples as well (pop piano, honky tonk piano etc).

But it depends what exactly you mean by 'sound engine' in this context.


If we're talking about DIFFERENT Supernatural instrument types.

On an RD800, we have Acoustic Grand, Upright and Honky Tonk pianos. (Total of 37 different variations, each with their own characteristics)

Then Tine and Reed AND Clav type SuperNatural Electric Pianos with variations on each.

Then the Virtual tone wheel Organ with 10 variations.

Then the remaining PCM Voices.

Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but they are all distinctly different engines.

Jay
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#2300730 - Today at 01:17 PM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Jay Roland]
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They really are? For example grand piano types sound like moddified samples of the first one. It's the same on Kawai and Yamaha(those I've tested). Maybe I said it wrong. I meant more diffrent sampled isntruments. Like I could have Steinway, Kawai and Yamaha in one digital instrument smile

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#2300740 - Today at 01:42 PM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
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Roland has at least two sample sources, I believe - though I don't have proof as such. Also a version of the V-piano which is modelled.

David Farley says about a Yamaha stage piano: my CP4 has the CFX, CFIII and S6.

The Nord, according to emenelton can upload and play yamaha, bosendorfer and steinway pianos.

So there is plenty to be going on with there, even before you get to using VSTi where the scope in terms of what you're asking about is limitless, and not tied to any one brand, piano maker, software system or sound engine type.

....so I think the answer to your question is 'yes' in Spem in alium style polyphony.
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#2300766 - Today at 02:44 PM Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
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Toddy,
Yes, that's one of the main advantages of the Nord's that can access the piano library. They can install samples of several different instruments. In addition to the grand pianos you mentioned, they also have a beautifully sampled fazioli. And some of their pianos have varying sample sets with different characters. I'm not positive but I have the impression that they actually revoiced some of the instruments and resampled them rather than just tweaking the samples digitally. Maybe someone knows that for sure, but in any case it gives you a lot of options. And there are many more uprights sampled, in addition to a variety of electric piano, harpsichord, and clav sample sets. And every several months Nord seems to add something to the list that's available. I think that's a huge part of the Nord's appeal. It's not just the quality of their sample sets, it is also their diversity. smile
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#2300781 - 28 minutes 13 seconds ago Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
Jay Roland Offline
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Originally Posted By: Nordomus
They really are? For example grand piano types sound like moddified samples of the first one. It's the same on Kawai and Yamaha(those I've tested). Maybe I said it wrong. I meant more diffrent sampled isntruments. Like I could have Steinway, Kawai and Yamaha in one digital instrument smile


Definitely different sets.

Concert Grand is a different instrument than NX Concert Grand, which is again different from Brilliant Grand and again different from Studio Grand. They're based on different instruments. The variations on each of these types are the modified examples of the original.

Jay
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#2300791 - 2 minutes 19 seconds ago Re: Multiple sound engines? [Re: Nordomus]
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The Yamaha CLP-585 has sample sets for the CFX and Bosendorfer Imperial.

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