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#2302303 - 07/14/14 04:47 PM Sheet music reading questions - help please
Hippo Offline
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Registered: 09/10/10
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Hi everyone. I'm trying to play the Moonlight Sonata, and was hoping someone could help me out with the following:



I see this in several places, notes that are already sharp from the key signature also being sharp. In this particular case I'm further confused by the fact that the upper G is sharp but the lower one isn't. What's going on, and how should it be played? I've been playing the upper note as G# and the lower note as G, is this right?



The double sharp symbol. I think that for this I should be playing G, but why not just have the note written as G natural (as is done in many other measures from this piece)?



How should this be played? I hold C# for the first triplet with my thumb, but does C# have to struck again for the second triplet, or held all the way through because of the half-note?

Very grateful for any suggestions. Thanks.

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#2302340 - 07/14/14 06:06 PM Re: Sheet music reading questions - help please [Re: Hippo]
JimF Offline
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Hippo, I'm not a teacher but I'll give it a shot.

1. G#? - play G# for both. Showing the sharp symbol is called a "curtousy accidental", usual comes after a previous measure when the G was marked with an accidental natural.

2. F x (double sharp) - yes, F double sharp is enharmonic with G. As for the why write it as such, I don't know an easy way to explain that in a short answer. But there are good reasons.

3. Yes you strike the C# a second time and then continue holding it again
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#2302398 - 07/14/14 10:06 PM Re: Sheet music reading questions - help please [Re: Hippo]
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#2302453 - 07/15/14 02:55 AM Re: Sheet music reading questions - help please [Re: Hippo]
Hippo Offline
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Thanks for replying.

"marked with an accidental natural". Thank you, that explains it.

"I don't know an easy way to explain that in a short answer". I suspected this might be the case. I'll delve deeper into this.

"Question 3 answered on Reddit"

I don't think the situation on Reddit is quite the same. The point of my question is that the the first note of the second triplet is the same as the first note(s) of the first triplet.

"Yes you strike the C# a second time and then continue holding it again"

But wouldn't this be better represented by marking both C# sharps as quarter notes? And, come to think of it, what would be the difference if it were written that way?

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#2302454 - 07/15/14 03:12 AM Re: Sheet music reading questions - help please [Re: Hippo]
Brian Lucas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hippo
"Yes you strike the C# a second time and then continue holding it again"

But wouldn't this be better represented by marking both C# sharps as quarter notes? And, come to think of it, what would be the difference if it were written that way?

Slight difference. You're dealing with 2 voices, the 3 half notes and the triplets. So when you have the 2 C#s happen in both voices, you will strike it a little harder so the note will ring out longer. If it were 2 quarter notes, you'd strike the second one harder as well. In this case, you play the second C# just like the other triplets, with no added emphasis.

Some of the more classical focused folks may jump in here, but that's my interpretation.
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#2302569 - 07/15/14 12:54 PM Re: Sheet music reading questions - help please [Re: Hippo]
rpw Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hippo
"Question 3 answered on Reddit"

I don't think the situation on Reddit is quite the same. The point of my question is that the the first note of the second triplet is the same as the first note(s) of the first triplet.


Ah sorry, I misread your question.

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#2302576 - 07/15/14 01:16 PM Re: Sheet music reading questions - help please [Re: Brian Lucas]
briansaddleback Offline
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Registered: 01/27/14
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Loc: Irvine CA
Originally Posted By: Brian Lucas
Originally Posted By: Hippo
"Yes you strike the C# a second time and then continue holding it again"

But wouldn't this be better represented by marking both C# sharps as quarter notes? And, come to think of it, what would be the difference if it were written that way?

Slight difference. You're dealing with 2 voices, the 3 half notes and the triplets. So when you have the 2 C#s happen in both voices, you will strike it a little harder so the note will ring out longer. If it were 2 quarter notes, you'd strike the second one harder as well. In this case, you play the second C# just like the other triplets, with no added emphasis.

Some of the more classical focused folks may jump in here, but that's my interpretation.


OP , this is the correct answer here .
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#2302582 - 07/15/14 01:26 PM Re: Sheet music reading questions - help please [Re: Hippo]
MomOfBeginners Offline
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For the F-double-sharp, I believe this is because you entered into g# minor (5th of c# minor - the original key of the piece). In g# minor, if you want to write a 7th, then you write f-double-sharp instead of g.
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