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#2302884 - 07/16/14 04:40 AM Sustain problem (Vintage D)
B4question Offline
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Registered: 06/27/14
Posts: 10
So I experienced a problem with the Sustain Pedal on Kontakt 5 using the vst Instrument Galaxy Vintage D.

Whenever I press my Sustain Pedal it will also press the E-note on my Piano it drives me crazy.

Ive tried to play around with the settings no luck tho.

Anyone have experienced this as well?

EDIT:

I use an Yamaha NP31 with a FC4 pedal.


Edited by B4question (07/16/14 04:52 AM)

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#2302895 - 07/16/14 05:57 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: B4question]
Jeff Hurchalla Offline
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Registered: 06/11/14
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Loc: Portland OR
I'd probably first check if somehow your hardware (keyboard, pedal, MIDI interface) might be sending the false E. If you're on windows, midiox (midiox.com) is great for seeing incoming MIDI. Just close everything else and run midiox with your keyboard as MIDI input, and try pressing the sustain pedal to see if you get an unexpected E. If not, it's maybe something strange set up in kontakt - maybe a script is running?. You could try a different VST host for Vintage D (I like using bidule) and see if the pedal's ok there.

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#2302900 - 07/16/14 06:17 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: B4question]
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Hi Jeff. Your advice on locating the source of the pedal on problem is interesting.

Could you say exactly what you mean by 'running a script' in this context? I understand that a script is a program - or set of instructions - executed by another program. But, in this case, would that not be Vintage D and Kontakt, respectively. Therefore I don't quite see what other instructions could be intruding. Thanks!
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#2302920 - 07/16/14 07:32 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: B4question]
Maxpiano Offline
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Registered: 12/13/12
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Loc: Italy
Hi, what are you using to connect the NP31 to the PC?

That type of problem happens sometimes when using cheap MIDI-USB interface cables that can generate faulty data, maybe you are using one of those?
(The same phenomenon on you describe happened to me once in a rehearsal room that had a NP series keyboard and I discovered that my "no brand China-made" MIDI-USB cable was the issue, since connecting the NP to the Midi IN of my Audio card was working fine instead)
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#2302922 - 07/16/14 07:47 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: Jeff Hurchalla]
B4question Offline
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First of all thank you for your detailed answer.

Well Ive tried your advice using another VST Host but the problem is still remained I even tried to use an other VST Instrument like the Pianoteq 5 trial version still the same result.

Any more advices? smirk starting to get frustrated

Oh and here is the result MIDI-OX programm

http://i.imgur.com/KcxOjIz.png


Edited by B4question (07/16/14 07:47 AM)

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#2302928 - 07/16/14 07:55 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: B4question]
Maxpiano Offline
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Registered: 12/13/12
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Loc: Italy
Originally Posted By: B4question
First of all thank you for your detailed answer.

Well Ive tried your advice using another VST Host but the problem is still remained I even tried to use an other VST Instrument like the Pianoteq 5 trial version still the same result.

Any more advices? smirk starting to get frustrated

Oh and here is the result MIDI-OX programm

http://i.imgur.com/KcxOjIz.png


Check my reply above, how are you connecting the NP to the PC? The issue is there, I am 90% confident
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#2302929 - 07/16/14 07:56 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: Maxpiano]
B4question Offline
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Registered: 06/27/14
Posts: 10
I buyed my MIDI-USB cable in a electronic store called Conrad it was a pretty expensive one. Might I ask you which MIDI-USB cable you used for your NP?

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#2302931 - 07/16/14 07:59 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: Maxpiano]
B4question Offline
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Registered: 06/27/14
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I connected my NP just by using the MIDI-USB cable the out to in and the in to the output.


Edited by B4question (07/16/14 08:00 AM)

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#2302967 - 07/16/14 10:13 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: B4question]
Maxpiano Offline
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Registered: 12/13/12
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Loc: Italy
Originally Posted By: B4question
I buyed my MIDI-USB cable in a electronic store called Conrad it was a pretty expensive one. Might I ask you which MIDI-USB cable you used for your NP?


I bought mine via eBay, anyway I suggest you to try with a different MIDI interface, best if your audio card (if you have an extrernal one) has a standard MIDI DIN interface built in.
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#2302989 - 07/16/14 11:30 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: Maxpiano]
B4question Offline
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Registered: 06/27/14
Posts: 10
Which model do you prefer?

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#2302996 - 07/16/14 11:42 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: Maxpiano]
Jeff Hurchalla Offline
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Registered: 06/11/14
Posts: 12
Loc: Portland OR
The faulty E's show up in the midi-ox display, so the fault probably originates in one the following: the keyboard, pedal, a connecting cable, or the MIDI interface. It's not in the software (Vintage D or Kontakt).
As Maxpiano suggested, there's a good chance it's the connecting cable. There's also a good chance it's the MIDI interface you bought - it looks like the NP-31 doesn't come with a built-in USB MIDI interface for the computer (it just has standard MIDI in/out ports).
If your MIDI interface and MIDI cable are new, I'd return them and try different ones at home. Also if there's a USB cable that plugs into your MIDI interface, try a different USB cable. That's probably the easiest thing, and unlike the MIDI interface and MIDI cable, there's a good chance you might have a different USB cable somewhere at home you can swap in.

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#2303058 - 07/16/14 02:05 PM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: B4question]
MacMacMac Offline
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Registered: 09/24/09
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Loc: North Carolina
A faulty cable can introduce noise onto the signal line, but I've never heard of a faulty cable generating data that consistently mimics a MIDI E-note key press. smile

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#2303352 - 07/17/14 11:47 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: MacMacMac]
Maxpiano Offline
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Registered: 12/13/12
Posts: 69
Loc: Italy
Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
A faulty cable can introduce noise onto the signal line, but I've never heard of a faulty cable generating data that consistently mimics a MIDI E-note key press. smile


The fault actually is in the interface chip, not in the "cable" in an electrical sense. It is a logic bug, nothing to do with signal noise.
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#2303574 - 07/18/14 01:10 AM Re: Sustain problem (Vintage D) [Re: B4question]
B4question Offline
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Registered: 06/27/14
Posts: 10
Thank you everyone who were trying to help me out of this problem. Ill try to use another MIDI-Interface, MIDI-Usb cable and see if the issue is gone.

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