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Can I suggest he find a forum where they deal in 99.99% certainties? That is certainly (say 80%?) not piano playing. The act of piano playing is bound by physical laws which we learn about through the process of science. By understanding and leveraging the knowledge we gain through science, we can become better at [insert skill]. Here, "piano play" is that skill.
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Painting is also bound by physical laws. Maybe find yourself an artist's forum?
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Painting is also bound by physical laws. Maybe find yourself an artist's forum? A painting forum would be irrelevant to my interests because I do not paint. I play piano, so piano forums are relevant.
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putting my own hat on (a Canadian Tilley hat, no less  ) The wife and I have matching Forest Green T2's. These hats have had tons of use for almost 20 years and they show almost no signs of wear. Tilley Endurables are aptly named. Also, I love a good everything bagel with cream cheese, lox, and ripe tomato.
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The act of piano playing is bound by physical laws which we learn about through the process of science. Most folks become perfectly fine pianists without any knowledge whatsoever of those scientific physical laws. Perhaps they are the ones who are "gifted." 
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A painting forum would be irrelevant to my interests because I do not paint. I play piano, so piano forums are relevant. O come on! Physical laws are physical laws. Give it a go - you couldn't do worse! I see what you mean folks re: the bot thing.
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Painting is also bound by physical laws. Maybe find yourself an artist's forum? A painting forum would be irrelevant to my interests because I do not paint. I play piano, so piano forums are relevant. Thank you Dr. Spock !! 
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Most folks become perfectly fine pianists without any knowledge whatsoever of those scientific physical laws.
That's fine, but proper education is what enables more people who set out to play this instrument actually become skilled at it. Now you're saying "No! Knowledge is bad! Do not teach!" and rejecting people's right to education; nice job.
O come on! Physical laws are physical laws. Give it a go - you couldn't do worse!
I said I'm not interested in painting, not that I think I couldn't do it. Most people can become extremely skilled at most things (painting, piano improv, Tetris, etc.)
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putting my own hat on (a Canadian Tilley hat, no less ) The wife and I have matching Forest Green T2's. These hats have had tons of use for almost 20 years and they show almost no signs of wear. Tilley Endurables are aptly named. Also, I love a good everything bagel with cream cheese, lox, and ripe tomato. Lost me with the tomato, but still nice.
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I said I'm not interested in painting, not that I think I couldn't do it. Most people can become extremely skilled at most things (painting, piano improv, Tetris, etc.)
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putting my own hat on (a Canadian Tilley hat, no less ) The wife and I have matching Forest Green T2's. These hats have had tons of use for almost 20 years and they show almost no signs of wear. Tilley Endurables are aptly named. Also, I love a good everything bagel with cream cheese, lox, and ripe tomato. Mine is a traditional cotton duck T3, circa 1992. It used to be white, but is now off-white (though it hasn't been through an elephant yet). And it still floats.... My bagel must have peanut butter, with a sprinkling of smoked paprika.....
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Most folks become perfectly fine pianists without any knowledge whatsoever of those scientific physical laws.
That's fine, but proper education is what enables more people who set out to play this instrument actually become skilled at it. Sadly, very few folks receive a "proper" education these days - and that is the TRUTH. Now you're saying "No! Knowledge is bad! Do not teach!" and rejecting people's right to education; nice job.
No - I was simply saying that "most folks become perfectly fine pianists without any knowledge whatsoever of those scientific physical laws." 
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Sadly, very few folks receive a "proper" education these days
You can tell when you see the amount of false information spread in many areas of artistic pedagogy (piano being principal among them all).
I was simply saying that "most folks become perfectly fine pianists without any knowledge whatsoever of those scientific physical laws."
We all know what you literally wrote; I'm talking about what is implied by your writing. Scientific knowledge makes people better pianists.
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Scientific knowledge makes people better pianists. As does history and geography. What's your point?
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What's worse is when a bot is allowed to come on this forum and spew out "knowledge" and clog up threads that originally are helpful to those involved. When will this thing get banned?
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As does history and geography. What's your point?
History and geography do not help address the act of piano playing insofar as the paying apparatus/mechanism. Physics does. Physiology does. Psychology does. Neuroscience does. Certain disciplines of science are irrelevant to the acquisition of piano skill, but others are directly relevant and highly beneficial.
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Can you site sources where scientific knowledge is applied to piano technique and pedagogy?
This isn't a challenge to your views at all but I'm genuinely interested in investigating such sources and find out what scientific research offers to the field.
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Can you site sources where scientific knowledge is applied to piano technique and pedagogy?
This isn't a challenge to your views at all but I'm genuinely interested in investigating such sources and find out what scientific research offers to the field. Oy. You don't think this has been asked ad nauseum?
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Can you site sources where scientific knowledge is applied to piano technique and pedagogy? This is a good start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_journalsStudies are a good entry point, but books are nice too. I'm genuinely interested in investigating such sources and find out what scientific research offers to the field. The problem is that piano pedagogy has been spewing out the same crap for so long, keeping itself in the dark while the sciences progress. People are starting realize how much piano can benefit from science, and are trying to play catch-up. A little bit of curious research is all that is needed to see how much nonsense is taught in piano pedagogy today, and how much benefit can be leveraged by knowledge from physics, neuroscience, etc.
"A good intention but fixed and resolute - bent on high and holy ends, we shall find means to them on every side and at every moment; and even obstacles and opposition will but make us 'like the fabled specter-ships,' which sail the fastest in the very teeth of the wind."
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Poetry, art and architecture are the ones you really need to know about. Sorry, left out literature!
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