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#2305530 - 07/22/14 05:05 PM Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music
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One of today's foremost (forte)pianists has interesting things to say about Mozart's keyboard style, ornamentation (and its implementation), the use of rubato.....and pianos. He also touches on Beethoven and Schumann.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02316g3
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#2306320 - 07/24/14 07:56 AM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: bennevis]
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I have heard Kristian Bezuidenhout talking about playing Mozart on the fortepiano. He is very persuasive on the importance of detailed articulation in Mozart, and on how this is easier achieved on the fortepiano. I can confidently recommend this programme.

In the last year I have heard Bezuidenhout playing Mozart in Edinburgh, Cambridge, Hatfield and at the Wigmore Hall; and just recently in the East Neuk Festival, in the church in the fishing village of St Monans, right on the rocky seashore. His Mozart always seems very natural and very clear. An example for me to aspire to on my Broadwood square!

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#2306431 - 07/24/14 11:37 AM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: David-G]
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It's interesting the way fortepianists are so much freer - in rhythm, tempi and rubato - than modern pianists when playing music of the period they specialize in.

Listening to his Rondo alla turca near the beginning of the program (and its conclusion a little later), I thought - no way a modern pianist would jerk the rhythm and prolong the rests, etc the way he did in his recording...... grin
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#2307105 - 07/25/14 06:15 PM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: bennevis]
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I'm so glad that no modern pianist does what the 'authentic' school prescribes: here and there some silly ornament, very unsteady rhythm, not very impressive virtuosity, it all is a hoax.
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#2307827 - 07/27/14 03:06 PM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: dolce sfogato]
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Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
I'm so glad that no modern pianist does what the 'authentic' school prescribes: here and there some silly ornament, very unsteady rhythm, not very impressive virtuosity, it all is a hoax.
Dolce, did you listen to the Bezuidenhout interview?

Do you disagree with his thoughts on decoration in playing Mozart? If so, your statement would be more persuasive if you can reason with his argument.

Did you disagree with Bezuidenhout's thoughts on articulation in Mozart? Again, your statement would be more persuasive if you give a reasoned counter-argument.

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#2307901 - 07/27/14 07:01 PM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: dolce sfogato]
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Originally Posted By: dolce sfogato
I'm so glad that no modern pianist does what the 'authentic' school prescribes: here and there some silly ornament, very unsteady rhythm, not very impressive virtuosity, it all is a hoax.

I have spent the better part of the last 3 months researching the performance practice of Mozart, as it relates to my thesis. For those of you familiar with my video,Part II, I use Carl Reinecke's Mozart transcription of the Adagio from the Mozart Piano Concerto in A Major K488.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPgg3armCI

Now, specific to the OP, it is my opinion that this particular fortepianist is far too conservative in his performance practice compared to a man, (Reinecke) who was playing this piece from the age of 19 (1843) until this recording in 1907 (at the age of 83). He was widely considered the premier Mozart pianist of the 19th century!

As accurately stated in his response to me, Dr. Neal Peres Da Costa ("Off The Record" OUP) said that it is inconceivable that the keyboardists of Mozart's day would play his piano music straight off the page. They were all trained in the Bel Canto Aria style of ornamentation and embellishment, and that is the way they performed his music, as well as that of every other composer.

If anything, Reinecke's version is nowhere rhythmically as elastic as Mozart would have played it. Has anyone ever heard of "Le Nozze di Figaro?" Sing the famous line over and over again.

That means that composers (of that era) did not express themselves one way, vocally, and then all of a sudden decide to drastically want their students/performers to adopt a straight metronomic way (metronomes had not been invented!) for their instrumental music, most importantly keyboard music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXapt6YRxkY&feature=player_embedded

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#2307914 - 07/27/14 07:51 PM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
One of today's foremost (forte)pianists has interesting things to say about Mozart's keyboard style, ornamentation (and its implementation), the use of rubato.....and pianos. He also touches on Beethoven and Schumann.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02316g3


18th century music was considerable more extemporaneous than modern taste allows. Why is this style rejected now?

Is it because:
a. Ornamentation throws an entirely different set of technique challenges into a piece.
b. The ability to improvise ornaments is not equally measurable amongst musicians.
c. Ornaments are unstable and mess up flow of the music.
d. Something else entirely.

Yes, this is a serious question.
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#2307937 - 07/27/14 09:18 PM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: bennevis]
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Historically informed performers do play this music more extemporaneously.
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#2307968 - 07/27/14 11:55 PM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: bennevis]
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Interesting interview. Thanks for posting.

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#2308248 - 07/28/14 06:30 PM Re: Kristian Bezuidenhout on Mozart and his piano music [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Historically informed performers do play this music more extemporaneously.


What drives acceptable ornamentation? I'm working on two Baroque pieces with no markings. Guidance for ornament use seems limited to mechanics and doesn't include rules for how often or what may be used together.

I'm guessing only repeated sections are flourished and ornament type should be consistent throughout a piece?
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