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#2305849 - 07/23/14 10:15 AM 25 Vintage Steinways
Rich D. Offline
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Anybody want to buy 25 vintage Steinways to rebuild? Appears like a rebuilder either has too many Steinways to rebuild or is moving on.


http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/msd/4581727056.html

Rich
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#2305852 - 07/23/14 10:18 AM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Mr. Galassini - Do you have any info on this?
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#2305854 - 07/23/14 10:21 AM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
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could be Country Piano, in that area...
http://www.countrypiano.com
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#2305899 - 07/23/14 11:39 AM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: phacke]
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Wow. I had no idea that there were unrebuilt Steinways in those quantities sitting around in warehouses. This adds new insight to my understanding of Steinway's "Steinwas" argument.

Larry.

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#2305902 - 07/23/14 11:47 AM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
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Weirdly, the only piano that has a clearly readable name on the fallboard is a Mason & Hamelin
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#2305924 - 07/23/14 12:28 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
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10 grand a piece is awfully pricey, especially buying in bulk.
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#2305936 - 07/23/14 12:47 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: iLaw]
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Originally Posted By: iLaw
Wow. I had no idea that there were unrebuilt Steinways in those quantities sitting around in warehouses. This adds new insight to my understanding of Steinway's "Steinwas" argument.
Indeed: 1) there are many of those old Steinways out there [and bulk buying situations], hence the "Steinwas" marketing campaign and 2) yes, $10k is very pricey for that kind of situation. Someone, however, will choose to view it as an "investment." Good luck to them.
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#2305951 - 07/23/14 01:05 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: DanS]
Paul678 Offline
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Originally Posted By: DanS
10 grand a piece is awfully pricey, especially buying in bulk.


What would be a more reasonable price, for each, and in bulk?

Just wondering...

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#2305963 - 07/23/14 01:23 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Paul678]
DanS Offline
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Originally Posted By: Paul678
Originally Posted By: DanS
10 grand a piece is awfully pricey, especially buying in bulk.


What would be a more reasonable price, for each, and in bulk?

Just wondering...


From what I know of the business, around 5k a piece. Obviously some pianos are more sought after than others, such as A3s.
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#2305965 - 07/23/14 01:26 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
musicNow Offline
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It's interesting to me how many families have old Steinway's that have been passed down and are now in need of restoration.

- R
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#2305976 - 07/23/14 01:53 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: musicNow]
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Originally Posted By: musicNow
It's interesting to me how many families have old Steinway's that have been passed down and are now in need of restoration.

Tons of us.
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#2306005 - 07/23/14 02:44 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
Markarian Offline
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$10K each plus freight and storage?

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#2306093 - 07/23/14 05:56 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
Ed Foote Offline
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Loc: Tennessee
Greetings,
The going prices I have seen for rebuildable Steinways is about $1K per foot. this is the basic ebony straight case. If it is a natural wood finish, more like $ 1,200 per foot. If rosewood, maybe 1,500 -2,000 per foot,but that is a premium price.
The D's are a special case, and I have seen some in need of everything from board to the action go for $15,000, and one with good board but Teflon action going for $ 20K. There are also exceptions, i.e. art case and reproducer models. I don't know of any way to describe those valuations.
Regards,

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#2306303 - 07/24/14 05:53 AM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
joe80 Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 1890
The question is how much does rebuilding cost in the USA and what would the piano sell for in the end? Here, you can expect to pay 10000 pounds for a clapped out Steinway in need of everything, and perhaps a little less for an 85 note model.

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#2306505 - 07/24/14 02:40 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Ed Foote]
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Originally Posted By: Ed Foote
Greetings,
The going prices I have seen for rebuildable Steinways is about $1K per foot. this is the basic ebony straight case. If it is a natural wood finish, more like $ 1,200 per foot. If rosewood, maybe 1,500 -2,000 per foot,but that is a premium price.
The D's are a special case, and I have seen some in need of everything from board to the action go for $15,000, and one with good board but Teflon action going for $ 20K. There are also exceptions, i.e. art case and reproducer models. I don't know of any way to describe those valuations.
Regards,


Maybe Ed is a way better negotiator than I am, but I buy a lot of Steinways and I spend more on good quality rebuild candidates than this.
I find that a lot of the really inexpensive Steinway rebuild candidates end up more money because they need lots of new expensive case parts like lids and legs.
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#2306557 - 07/24/14 03:46 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Keith D Kerman]
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Originally Posted By: Keith D Kerman


Maybe Ed is a way better negotiator than I am, but I buy a lot of Steinways and I spend more on good quality rebuild candidates than this.


Maybe luckier. I don't buy a lot of Steinways, so what I see is perhaps cherry picking. I have a 1925 mahogany M that needs everything, bought for $ 2.5 K, another '23 M, poor black finish, good board, and an action I can rent it with cost me 5K. I went $7K on a mahogany S with perfect ivory, restrung it, replaced the action, and it has been leased for the last 5 years to someone that wants to buy it.

I have an XR (model M), that I rebuilt 20 years ago. I cost me $ 1,000 then.

There is a fair amount of downsizing going on, and I think the technician that has made a career of tuning should be alert to the possibility when it arises to buy these older, worn out, pianos. There is quite a market for the one brand.
regards,

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#2306601 - 07/24/14 04:41 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Rich D.]
Dave B Offline
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Registered: 08/01/11
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Loc: Philadelphia area
looks like the ceiling is ready to fall. Better get them out of there fast.

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#2306621 - 07/24/14 05:17 PM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: Ed Foote]
Keith D Kerman Offline
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Registered: 03/12/03
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Originally Posted By: Ed Foote
Originally Posted By: Keith D Kerman


Maybe Ed is a way better negotiator than I am, but I buy a lot of Steinways and I spend more on good quality rebuild candidates than this.


Maybe luckier. I don't buy a lot of Steinways, so what I see is perhaps cherry picking. I have a 1925 mahogany M that needs everything, bought for $ 2.5 K, another '23 M, poor black finish, good board, and an action I can rent it with cost me 5K. I went $7K on a mahogany S with perfect ivory, restrung it, replaced the action, and it has been leased for the last 5 years to someone that wants to buy it.

I have an XR (model M), that I rebuilt 20 years ago. I cost me $ 1,000 then.

There is a fair amount of downsizing going on, and I think the technician that has made a career of tuning should be alert to the possibility when it arises to buy these older, worn out, pianos. There is quite a market for the one brand.
regards,


Older Ms and Os can be had cheaper and the worse condition, the cheaper they get. Player pianos are the cheapest. A3s, Bs, Cs and Ds are a lot more.
It does sound like you are cherry picking which makes sense. If you were buying 10 - 20 larger Steinways per year for those kind of prices, I would buy your book and subscribe to your blog!
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#2306911 - 07/25/14 10:19 AM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: phacke]
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The phone number appears to point back at Country Pianos. This is strange because I was under the impression that they were always looking for Steinways to rebuild. Perhaps they are getting out of the business or perhaps those pianos are not in good shape.
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#2306935 - 07/25/14 11:12 AM Re: 25 Vintage Steinways [Re: PaintedPostDave]
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Originally Posted By: PaintedPostDave

The phone number appears to point back at Country Pianos....


As does "Myles" listed as the contact name.

Larry.

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