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#2305990 - 07/23/14 02:21 PM Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1
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Learned this yesterday. It's not completely polished yet, but it's a rainy day here and I thought it would be a nice day to record. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk_39jSkgS0&feature=youtu.be

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#2306181 - 07/23/14 09:21 PM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: JoelW]
Mark_C Online   content
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I picked up that piece a few years ago...golly, it's already 10 years when I "needed" a piece to play as a sort of a 'prelude' to the Op. 49 Fantaisie, for the 1st round of an amateur competition. ("Needed" is in quotes because it turns out I didn't really; another person also played the Fantaisie, without anything else. Although of course she didn't make the next round and I did.) grin

I searched through all (ALL!) of Chopin's real short pieces (had to be 2 minutes or less), and decided that this mazurka, above absolutely all the others, was the best piece to couple with the Fantaisie, for a 15-minute program. And I think it is.

So, about your performance. First of all, you 'have the notes,' and you basically have the piece, which is darn good for just 1 day. smile
But, although it's not like you aren't putting "expression" into the piece, it seems to me like you haven't much thought about what the piece is -- what it's saying, what feeling(s) it's conveying.

I didn't really get any feeling of a "feeling" until the return of the opening theme. Before that, it sounded to me like you were basically just 'playing the notes,' occasionally doing a thingee or two that seemed like "a good thing to do" in a Chopin mazurka, kind of like how a chess player who is at a loss might make moves that in themselves follow good principles of chess playing but don't necessarily fit in with any larger plan. (BTW in chess that's usually not too bad! But in music, probably not so much.)

Like.....That opening is FULL OF "feeling." We could even say it's nothing but feeling. It's full of little figures and gestures that are utterances of a most poignant nature. Chopin is trying to "say something," perhaps sort of literally; isn't it almost as though these are verbal phrases, with unspoken/unknown WORDS? My goodness, these are utterances.

And then, when the second theme comes in -- and in the major.....what a DIFFERENT feeling that is. It's a world of a different collar. (Apologies to horses.) grin
But, I'm not hearing any different feeling or different world there. Are you? I don't think you're feeling or recognizing each section for what kind of thing it's saying, or that you're moving from one brief world suddenly to a very different kind of one (and back again).

Aren't you glad you asked.... grin
I hope this is interesting and useful for you. smile

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#2306185 - 07/23/14 09:26 PM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: JoelW]
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That was an interesting read! Good information, but I have a bit of trouble putting it to practical use. What I hear in my head sounds basically just like how I played it, only slightly better. (give me a couple days grin)

Not really sure how changing it would make it 'speak' any differently. And I certainly feel like it would be forced and unnatural.

Nevertheless, I will try it out tomorrow and see what happens. You're basically saying to distinguish the sections more?

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#2306199 - 07/23/14 09:58 PM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
....You're basically saying to distinguish the sections more?

Sort of, but really more than that: Decide what you think is the basic "feeling" of each section, and try to convey those feelings in how you play the sections.

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#2306327 - 07/24/14 08:06 AM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: JoelW]
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Almost every phrase can be shaped much better. And there are some notes that stick in both the left and right hand as much too loud. Listen to some performances by great pianists to see how much can be done with the piece.

Also what Mark said.

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#2306416 - 07/24/14 11:09 AM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Almost every phrase can be shaped much better.

I can't take a criticism like this seriously.

Quote:

And there are some notes that stick in both the left and right hand as much too loud.

Please be specific.

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#2306723 - 07/24/14 09:47 PM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: JoelW]
neuralfirings Offline
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Registered: 07/29/13
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JoelW, here's a question for you. What are you trying to say with this piece? How do you want to make us (your listeners) feel?

I find that oftentimes I have a specific interpretation and the artist has another. Then me giving critiques based on my interpretation is oftentimes not helpful, unless I'm commenting specifically on technique which you seem to have covered. smile
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Working on Chopin E Minor Concerto (2nd Mvt), Bach C Minor Fugue (WTC I), and others.

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#2306804 - 07/25/14 03:12 AM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: JoelW]
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I liked it. I look forward to listening to the recording of the polished piece.

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#2308595 - 07/29/14 04:32 PM Re: Chopin: Mazurka in G-sharp minor, Op. 33 No. 1 [Re: JoelW]
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Registered: 07/18/14
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Loc: Seattle
Definitely a good start. Would like to get more of a dance-like feel. The true "mazurka" accent on 3rd beat feel. And perhaps a bit less pedaling. Has some nice phrasing and impressive to hear after only 1 day of working on it. Looking forward to hearing next version.

Thanks for posting

Dan
http://danielcarrcomposer.com/

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