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#2309589 - 08/01/14 12:17 AM Connected Slurs
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Below is a couple measures of Rondo from an Alfred's recital book that I'm thinking of doing for the recital. But I don't know how to play the connected slurs. Can someone please enlighten me?

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#2309674 - 08/01/14 07:03 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Well, I was about to say that slurs indicate phrasing; quite a subtle thing on the piano, but if you were singing or playing woodwind or using a bow, having some hints as to when you can breathe or change direction is also useful.

However, I've just spotted the two slurs that end and begin on the first note of bar 5, which is a bit of a puzzle to me.
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#2309700 - 08/01/14 08:04 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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You should probably just play it as one long slur, I think it just looks odd like that because of how the phrase is broken up by the way the music fits onto the page.

Or perhaps they connected them because the left hand just came off of a rest, and restarting the slur is for it's benefit instead.


Edited by Bamburg (08/01/14 08:06 AM)

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#2309702 - 08/01/14 08:06 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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I am guessing that the slur is meant to carry through to the end of measure 6, and this is how the editor chose to indicate that due to the line break after measure 4. Also musically it would make little sense to separate it into two phrases.
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#2309706 - 08/01/14 08:15 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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It is very simple, The notes from the (right hand) D in measure 4 till the A in measure 6 needs to be played legato. Then you lift for an instance and then you play the C.

That the slurs begin and end on the 1st note of measure 5 is merely a visual thing.

edit: I see that I'm just repeating what Morodiene has already said.

Of course all 1st and 3rd beats get an accent (4/4 time, bit weird that there is no time signature).


Edited by wimpiano (08/01/14 08:17 AM)
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#2309719 - 08/01/14 08:43 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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That's probably not the start of the piece, but a shot of some later sections. Hence no time signature.
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#2309720 - 08/01/14 08:45 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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#2309768 - 08/01/14 10:57 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Oh, so then it's a mistake. I'm adding the full first page then, to get a better idea of where the mistake might be. Looking at it now does it seem like measure 9 should be its own phrase, like it is in measure 1, or still look at measures 8 and 9 as one phrase?

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#2309772 - 08/01/14 11:06 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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#2309774 - 08/01/14 11:10 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Linda, measure 8 and 9 are one slur. My comment about accents is also still true. Just the remark about the "missing" time signature was off.
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#2309784 - 08/01/14 11:24 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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A bit of analysis would help, as well as hearing the RH like a melody to a song, with phrases. The whole page is in two "halves" - m. 1 to part of 8; part of 8 to m. 16.

If you play m. 1 - 2 (RH), and then m. 3 - 4, you might hear two phrases like you do in Twinkle [Twinkle twinkle little star // How I wonder what you are.] M. 5 - 6 is like an answering set of phrases - a bit like the next part of Twinkle [Up above etc.]

Now jump to m. 5 & 6. Can you hear that it is identical to m. 1 and 2? The next two measures are also the same as m. 3 and 4. All of m. 5 - 8 are identical to m. 1 - 4. We have the same "opening phrase set". NOW we can tackle the mysterious m. 5 after the rest. The eighth notes act like a kind of bridge bringing us back to the opening line. It feels like a figure skater, foot poised, telling us she is ready to take off. Or a baseball player winding up before throwing the ball. Or the start of the Blue Danube before the main beat starts. It's a kind of wind-up and it flows into the refrain of the melody we already had starting in m. 1. That is why the phrase marks / slurs are they way they are. smile

The last four measures on the page are the "conclusion" of this call and answer.

You might want to play the slurred parts legato, because having legato, and then a break, gives the feeling of phrases. Or you might want to feel the phrases like phrases in a song, and try to express that feeling - you'll probably end up doing it legato again.
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#2309785 - 08/01/14 11:27 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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If you look at mm. 5-6 & 13-14, the composer carries the 4 eighth note pick-ups through to the half note on the downbeat of the next measure. I consider these 8ths as upbeats and and a way to "run into" the original theme in m. 9.
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#2309803 - 08/01/14 12:29 PM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Thank you all for helping me out. As you can guess, I'm not very good at analyzing or interpreting a piece... yet. I'm more of a methodical, follow-the-rules type, so when the "rules" don't make sense to me it sort of throws me off. It's something I'm working on. So, thanks again, I really appreciate you guys/gals.
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#2309973 - 08/01/14 08:09 PM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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I see them as melodic phrasing markings. I don't think 'slur' articulation will work.

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#2310041 - 08/02/14 12:10 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Dave, perhaps I'm misunderstanding what a slur is, or maybe I'm using the wrong word. I thought a slur was a musical phrase that's played legato (smoothly connected). This is all still new to me.
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#2310483 - 08/03/14 01:34 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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FWIW --

You can think of yourself as a singer:

. . . Don't breathe under a slur.

. . . Breathe _between_ slurs.

That works for everything in this piece. You'll have to figure out how "non-legato" to make that isolated half-note in measure 5.

The "connected slurs" (from measure 8 to 9) are written that way because of the line-break from measure 8 to measure 9. The end of measure 8, measure 9, and measure 10 are a single phrase.

Nothing new, just re-statements.

. Charles

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#2310488 - 08/03/14 02:19 AM Re: Connected Slurs [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Thanks, Charles. Sometimes just hearing the same thing in different words is helpful. smile
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