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#2317559 - 08/20/14 02:00 AM Jazz"y" improvisation/cover issues
kobethuy Offline
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Registered: 08/12/14
Posts: 16
Hi, I have some issues with playing a piece in the manner of "jazz" (or something that sounds jazzy enough).

So I've been studying/experimenting with 7th/9th/13th chords but have accomplished nothing beside playing block chords (either root or rootless voicing). I also have trouble applying different scale modes into the melody (in fact I hardly remember any scale modes, I just use some passing notes in order to make it sounds good).

Also, even when I'm not playing something that's "real" jazz, I can't create any "variations/creativity" in the left hand. I know some pattern to use ( alberti bass, broken chords, stride, etc...) but I'm more incline towards those that do not repeat themselves.

Any suggestion/advice ? Any rhythm that works with modern pop songs ?

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#2317564 - 08/20/14 02:18 AM Re: Jazz"y" improvisation/cover issues [Re: kobethuy]
noobpianist90 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/13
Posts: 360
Loc: India
Try syncopation. I try to syncopate block chords and broken chords in the left hand while improvising melodies in the right hand. It sounds really nice, but the rhythm is tricky. You can even come up with basic bass riffs and then vary those using syncopation. The best thing about syncopation is that it is so spontaneous and unexpected and rhythm is completely under your control, there is nothing to confine it, and nothing to limit it. The possibilities are nearly endless for rhythm alone. It adds real flavour to your music. Tasty stuff grin

There are exercises on how to do this in "Improvising Blues Piano" by Tim Richards. He also has a book on Jazz that is for more advanced stuff, after completing his blues book. The easiest way to syncopate for me is to skip beats or add beats where it is unexpected.

I'm not sure it will work with "modern pop" as I'm not very well versed with this genre. Good luck smile


Edited by noobpianist90 (08/20/14 02:19 AM)

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#2317577 - 08/20/14 03:57 AM Re: Jazz"y" improvisation/cover issues [Re: noobpianist90]
kobethuy Offline
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Registered: 08/12/14
Posts: 16
Originally Posted By: noobpianist90
Try syncopation. I try to syncopate block chords and broken chords in the left hand while improvising melodies in the right hand. It sounds really nice, but the rhythm is tricky. You can even come up with basic bass riffs and then vary those using syncopation. The best thing about syncopation is that it is so spontaneous and unexpected and rhythm is completely under your control, there is nothing to confine it, and nothing to limit it. The possibilities are nearly endless for rhythm alone. It adds real flavour to your music. Tasty stuff grin

There are exercises on how to do this in "Improvising Blues Piano" by Tim Richards. He also has a book on Jazz that is for more advanced stuff, after completing his blues book. The easiest way to syncopate for me is to skip beats or add beats where it is unexpected.

I'm not sure it will work with "modern pop" as I'm not very well versed with this genre. Good luck smile


About syncopation: the closest thing I know about syncopation is from ragtime's syncopated melody and shuffled beat rhythm. Other than that I can't even syncopate without going completely off-beat (and even if I did manage to stay syncopated long enough I went off-chord)

About the bass line: I tried the walking bass line but I have no idea how it works. Is it suppose to follow some scales/chords ? Because it seems a lot like the broken chords except the diversity. Any rules on that ?

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#2317663 - 08/20/14 10:13 AM Re: Jazz"y" improvisation/cover issues [Re: kobethuy]
noobpianist90 Offline
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Registered: 07/23/13
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Loc: India

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#2317838 - 08/20/14 05:32 PM Re: Jazz"y" improvisation/cover issues [Re: kobethuy]
Michael Martinez Offline
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HARMONY wise: It's about reharmonizing the chord progression. You're the first step there by extending the chords, but that's only part of it. You need to know when to alter tones and when not to. Also you will need to rehamonize some of the chord passages.

RHYTHM: swung-8th notes in the right hand, and some sort of swing/one-off pattern in the LH


Edited by Michael Martinez (08/20/14 06:37 PM)
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#2318591 - Today at 01:40 PM Re: Jazz"y" improvisation/cover issues [Re: kobethuy]
JazzPianoOnline Offline
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Registered: 10/14/07
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i would offer that you find a recording that you like and imitate it.

you could also find a transcription and play that. you could then extrapolate some of the techniques to tunes of your own choosing.

i'd be happy to talk more to help you out!
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#2318604 - Today at 02:24 PM Re: Jazz"y" improvisation/cover issues [Re: JazzPianoOnline]
kobethuy Offline
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Registered: 08/12/14
Posts: 16
Originally Posted By: JazzPianoOnline
i would offer that you find a recording that you like and imitate it.

you could also find a transcription and play that. you could then extrapolate some of the techniques to tunes of your own choosing.

i'd be happy to talk more to help you out!


would you like to have a conversation through email ?

mine's kobe.thuy.nba@gmail.com

cheers

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