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#2323865 - 09/03/14 11:06 PM Restringing
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Can anyone please give me a ball park for a complete restringing on a Steinway A.
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#2323884 - 09/04/14 12:15 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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A grand piano takes a lot of space, but even a Little League ball park still seems awfully big!

If you are looking for a price, your best bet would be to call some technicians in your area and get estimates.
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#2323886 - 09/04/14 12:24 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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You should also figure on replacing the pinblock. I've seen too many pinblocks fail a few short years after restringing with larger pins.

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#2323908 - 09/04/14 02:25 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Aren't you guys techs?? Can't someone just give a number?
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#2323954 - 09/04/14 07:32 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Parks, your query about restringing has about as much useful specificity as me going onto an insurance forum and asking the question, "How much will it cost to insure my car?"

No reputable rebuilder would give you a quote without seeing the piano, or providing that estimate after examining your instrument in his shop. And how much it will cost is related to the overall condition of the piano.

Here's the answer to your question: It depends.
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#2323960 - 09/04/14 08:05 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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It's also rare that only restringing needs to be done. People think that a restringing job is all their piano needs when it really needs a complete rebuild.

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#2323962 - 09/04/14 08:11 AM Re: Restringing [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
A grand piano takes a lot of space, but even a Little League ball park still seems awfully big!

If you are looking for a price, your best bet would be to call some technicians in your area and get estimates.

+1

I don't have a ball park to give away, and even if I did, I'd be very reluctant to give it to a stranger on the internet.
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#2324005 - 09/04/14 11:16 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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I'm also curious. someone must have an idea, labor cost plus materials.
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#2324007 - 09/04/14 11:22 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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a few Tech web sites quoting $850-$1500
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#2324010 - 09/04/14 11:30 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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And you won't know what has been left out until it is too late. Like anything, you get what you pay for. Value is not determined by the how low the cost is.
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#2324015 - 09/04/14 11:39 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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I know I'm being vague. Forgive me, I am very shaken up, and want quick answers.

My housmate has completely lost his mind, and has taken a pair of loppers and cut every strings on the piano. The pin block is known to be very bad. It is a vintage Steinway, and very worth rebuilding.

If I were to put a figure on the damage he did, would I include the pin block rebuild, since no tech in their right mind would restring over a bad pin block?
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#2324016 - 09/04/14 11:40 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Miguel Rey]
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Originally Posted By: Miguel Rey
a few Tech web sites quoting $850-$1500


That would be quite optimistic. Knowing what some custom bass string sets can cost....extremely optimistic.
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#2324035 - 09/04/14 12:41 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Dear Parks,

http://restoration.steinway.com

Suggest you give a call the Steinway Restoration Center for an accurate estimate of a quality job. You'll have an idea of what a complete job should actually cost. Lots. You'll need the model and serial number for them (or anyone) to help with the estimate.

With a 'known bad pinblock' the job must include pulling the plate and installing a new pinblock, which will add $5K-$8K to a restringing job; depends on the difficulty of the specific model and age of your instrument.

Quotes for $800-1500 are NOT from reputable people. The custom-made bass strings, plain wire, and tuning pins alone will cost the rebuilder/technician $600-800, and that does not include ANY labor costs at all.

Replacing the dampers, the felt on the damper heads which quiet the strings, must also be included. Hammer reshaping (...or replacement) is part of a quality job, too. It is NOT a simple job of just stringing new wire in the piano. It is a complex and involved project. Is the soundboard good? Are the bridges solid? Are there cracks or splits at the bridge pins? Are there structural issues? You are dealing with 18 to 20 TONS of string tension in a medium sized grand.

There is simply too much to consider for any reputable rebuilder/technician to offer you a flat dollar figure for 'restringing' without a thorough examination of the instrument.

Very sorry to hear of your problem!
Sincerely,
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#2324045 - 09/04/14 01:23 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Originally Posted By: Parks
My housmate has completely lost his mind, and has taken a pair of loppers and cut every strings on the piano. The pin block is known to be very bad. It is a vintage Steinway, and very worth rebuilding.


I take it you're also looking for a new housemate now? If I were more litigious I'd be tempted to file suit for destruction of property.

TunerJeff's response is great and worth paying heed to - restringing is a complex and labor-intensive procedure, and even more so when a new block is required. And thus, for quality work, it won't be cheap.
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#2324047 - 09/04/14 01:29 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Miguel Rey]
Mark Cerisano, RPT Offline
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Originally Posted By: Miguel Rey
a few Tech web sites quoting $850-$1500


Bass strings alone cost $300 - $400. Pins are $150 last time I checked. That doesn't leave much room for anything else.
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#2324054 - 09/04/14 02:15 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Originally Posted By: Parks
Aren't you guys techs?? Can't someone just give a number?


I would have give you a phone number (mine) but I am very far...
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#2324057 - 09/04/14 02:22 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Olek]
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Please don't make fun. Did you read the post?? This is a crime! I have not been home in two days, and can't get any of my stuff because this crazy person is there. He is dangerous. I'm so happy that you are snickering, Olek, but Shame on you for this joke!
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#2324073 - 09/04/14 03:29 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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This post is getting a bit strange.
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#2324077 - 09/04/14 03:49 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Originally Posted By: Parks
Please don't make fun. Did you read the post?? This is a crime! I have not been home in two days, and can't get any of my stuff because this crazy person is there. He is dangerous. I'm so happy that you are snickering, Olek, but Shame on you for this joke!


If he is dangerous, have you considered calling the police and telling them you don't feel safe, and he has already done significant damage to your property?
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#2324078 - 09/04/14 03:50 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Sounds like a serious domestic dispute to me and perhaps you should be contacting the local law enforcement agencies rather than an internet piano forum.

However, I hope it all turns out for the best for all concerned.

Rick
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#2324083 - 09/04/14 04:21 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Rickster]
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#2324088 - 09/04/14 04:40 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Hi Parks:

I am sorry for your troubles, so I will give a serious response. As soon as you are able to safely come into your home, you will want to engage the services of a piano technician or preferably a rebuilder to come and appraise the damage to the instrument. That MUST be an on site visual inspection for insurance or legal purposes. The documentation will have to be in writing. You will, of course, have to pay for this service.

If you can tell us the city you are in, perhaps some of the techs might be able to recommend someone near you who can give you an honest and accurate appraisal, or make that offer themselves.

Good luck to you.
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#2324103 - 09/04/14 05:28 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Originally Posted By: Parks
Please don't make fun. Did you read the post?? This is a crime! I have not been home in two days, and can't get any of my stuff because this crazy person is there. He is dangerous. I'm so happy that you are snickering, Olek, but Shame on you for this joke!


I doubt all strings are cut, it is a lot of work, frightening and dangerous for the one who does it.

So they where due for a change so it could be positive for the piano in the end.

It sound as a personal revenge, so it shoul turn good in the end

Je compatis,
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#2324105 - 09/04/14 05:32 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Originally Posted By: Parks
I know I'm being vague. Forgive me, I am very shaken up, and want quick answers.

My housmate has completely lost his mind, and has taken a pair of loppers and cut every strings on the piano. The pin block is known to be very bad. It is a vintage Steinway, and very worth rebuilding.

If I were to put a figure on the damage he did, would I include the pin block rebuild, since no tech in their right mind would restring over a bad pin block?


You must mean bolt cutters rather than loppers. Loppers for cutting tree limbs would hardly cut one or two piano wires before they would give out.

You could have saved yourself the wisecracks and jabs by explaining the situation in greater detail, but even then, no reputable tech will give a figure for repair unless he can see the piano. There are just too many variables.
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#2324113 - 09/04/14 05:45 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Thank you everyone.

No one has addressed the heart of the matter. I know that an on site assessment is neccessary for repair. There is a difference between damage and repair. He didn't damage the pin block, but a string repair is moot without a new pin block. The cost of a bew pin block is much higher. Does that make the new block part of the damage I can sue him for?

Yes, all of the strings. Yes, it was revenge. For what, I have no clue. He is sick, and will probably leave the country.
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#2324115 - 09/04/14 05:47 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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I don't know the exact tool he used, but he has many from which to choose. Whatever it was left scuff marks on the sound board. Also, as the strings snapped they have scratched the sound board as well.
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#2324117 - 09/04/14 05:52 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Michael, I am very sorry for your troubles. This forum is probably not the best place for you to get help, because we cannot see the piano and are not qualified to comment on the legal aspects of your situation (including safety). There may have been other household damage in your absence, so I am assuming that you will have a complex insurance/legal situation. I hope that you can get started straightening things out, perhaps with the help of the police or a domestic violence counselor, and then come back to us for names of reliable technicians in your area. I know that the piano damage is very distressing, but it's only one aspect of what you are having to deal with. Again, I am sorry.
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#2324204 - 09/04/14 11:01 PM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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You need to get your situation stabilized before you worry about the piano.
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#2324266 - 09/05/14 03:55 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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Originally Posted By: Parks
No one has addressed the heart of the matter. I know that an on site assessment is neccessary for repair. There is a difference between damage and repair. He didn't damage the pin block, but a string repair is moot without a new pin block. The cost of a bew pin block is much higher. Does that make the new block part of the damage I can sue him for?
I don't believe you will be able to sue for a new pin block (i.e., you can't sue for an upgrade); the strings can be replaced with the original pinblock and pin that were functioning before hand...even if it wasn't very well-functioning. Damper regulation has most likely been destroyed, so that should be part of the claim. The pinblock is going too far, but you may always give it a try. You are going to need a police report for the insurance claim, no? Did you do that?

If he leaves the country, suing him will not be an option. So, if you really are going to sue him, you must serve him while he is in this country. And, he has to have money to sue for. Does he have any?
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#2324276 - 09/05/14 05:21 AM Re: Restringing [Re: Parks]
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in those sort of situation the insurance pay for a percentage of the structural repair and the sum of the real damage to the element broken.
I had the case with a fire, while the piano was neglected they of course do pay a part of the rebuild so the instrument can be back to its precedent condition of playable.

Dents in spruce can be raised with moistening , not sure how much it come to level.
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