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#2329700 - Yesterday at 04:27 PM Two treble clefs
Amwriter Offline
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Registered: 09/20/14
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Hi everyone
This is my first post so please excuse my ignorance.

I have just recently bought a copy of John Miles' music was my....etc. and on the first page there are two treble clefs and one bass. The thing is I don't know what to play or when to play it. The lower treble and bass clef start off ok, but when the melody kicks in on the top clef I don't know what to do. Has anyone come across two treble clefs before, and are you supposed to play all of the notes on the two treble clefs?

If you go to music notes. Com website and search for John Miles music, it will show you the first page of that song so you will see what I mean.

Many thanks and I look forward to your replies.

Phil

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#2329707 - Yesterday at 04:44 PM Re: Two treble clefs [Re: Amwriter]
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Wouldn't the second treble cleff be for a second instrument? Otherwise you might have to get a robot arm..
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#2329710 - Yesterday at 04:50 PM Re: Two treble clefs [Re: Amwriter]
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If it's a real song (as in vocals and piano accompaniment), the upper treble clef will probably be the vocal part.

If you want to play the whole lot with just your two hands, it's possible if your RH can encompass all the notes of the two treble clefs. Or else, you sing that melody while playing the accompaniment.

Like Lady Gaga, Elton John et al.......

Or that great American songwriter Charles Ives wink :
http://youtu.be/10pqluMwgXQ
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#2329747 - Yesterday at 07:31 PM Re: Two treble clefs [Re: Amwriter]
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Registered: 02/14/12
Posts: 195
Loc: Brisbane, Australia
Yep, it sounds like a PVC (piano, vocal, chords) book. A lot of popular music is released in that format. It can be quite unsatisfying if you are just wanting to play the song as a piano solo as it's more of an accompaniment, but if you pull in notes from the vocal line where you can (using the pedal might help you jump around a bit more where necessary, or leaving out a few notes of the harmony) and make them louder than the harmony notes it should sound ok.

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#2329765 - Yesterday at 08:44 PM Re: Two treble clefs [Re: Amwriter]
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Registered: 04/18/09
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Yes. The arrangement says "Piano, Vocals, Guitar."
The piano part is the bass and treble clef and the vocal line is the one on the top. You don't want to sing it?
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#2329768 - Yesterday at 08:52 PM Re: Two treble clefs [Re: Amwriter]
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Maybe this video will inspire you wink :

http://youtu.be/sI1cz_sjMys
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#2329841 - 22 minutes 54 seconds ago Re: Two treble clefs [Re: Amwriter]
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Registered: 03/05/13
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Apologies for hijacking a thread, but on the topic of vocals while playing... how on earth can it be done?

Every time I even think about attempting such (not that I've tried much as I'm a terrible vocalist, more curious than anything) the vocal part always ends up creeping into my fingers and being played on the piano instead.

Needless to say the two don't go very well together when the piano is playing over the top smile even if I try simplistic chords as backing I seem to lose focus for a split second and everything merges into one at the piano end.

I guess I'm just so used to mimicking what I hear from the radio etc and doing solos of said pieces that it just feels natural to play both parts.


Edited by UKIkarus (21 minutes 36 seconds ago)
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#2329845 - 6 minutes 47 seconds ago Re: Two treble clefs [Re: Amwriter]
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Start easy. It's quite doable. Start with chorals.
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