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#2331956 - 09/28/14 05:31 PM Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8?
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Hey guys!

I am considering one of these as my next board and here are my initial thoughts. For the 88 key versions I believe Roland has the best key bed followed by Yamaha and lastly Korg. Roland has the most on board sounds and the easiest interface. It also has an SD card slot with card included. Yamaha has some nice piano sounds and the application to integrate with a DAW. You can also add a card for additional storage and upload sounds. Korg has some sweet synth sounds, SD card slot and is the least expensive of the three.

Overall each of three has sounds that I really like and others that aren't so impressive. So it's sort of a wash for me in that respect. One thing that I am having a hard time finding info on is their DAW compatibility and work flow. They are workstations after all but people seem to over look that aspect in reviews etc.

I know much of this is going to be subjective but if you have experience with any or all of these boards I would love to get your thoughts on them.

Cheers,
Greg


Edited by thercman (09/28/14 06:08 PM)
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#2331965 - 09/28/14 05:48 PM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: thercman]
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If you want a good keybed, look at Yamaha. I have played the MOX8 (not F8) and Krome, and I did not like the feel of Krome.

If you're talking sounds, it's my understanding that Yamaha is great for acoustic instrument sounds, Korg is good for more synth-type sounds. As for Roland, I haven't played the FA-08, but they usually sounds great too.

With regards to compatibility with DAWs, Yamaha is supposed to be well-integrated with Cubase, but it's not easy to get going, IMO. Of course, that could just be my lack of experience in using DAWs and MIDI in general. I don't know if the other boards are easier or if what I am experiencing is just due to my own lack of understanding.

Not sure if the SD card thing is really as useful as USB stick.
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#2331970 - 09/28/14 06:11 PM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: thercman]
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I can tell you that the DAW integration on the FA-08 is awesome. Your entire 16 tracks can be individually exported as WAV files to your DAW for mixing and mastering, after you lay them down in the built in sequencer. This process is very user friendly. The built in SP-404SX style sampler is also very useful.

Also make sure you check out the Axial website:

Here's a page dedicated to FREE sound expansions for the FA-06/08: http://axial.roland.com/category/fa-06_fa-08/

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#2332047 - Yesterday at 12:02 AM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: Jay Roland]
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Jay,

I am very much leaning to the FA-06/08. One thing that I would love to have is escapement for the added abilities such as slides on guitars etc.. I know the FA-08 has it but does the FA-06 have escapement as well? I am really considering a light weight form factor that I can carry with me.

Cheers,
Greg
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#2332051 - Yesterday at 12:22 AM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: thercman]
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Escapement isn't designed to do slides. The slides on some of the tones on the FA-series are velocity based. So the FA-06 will do the slides as well as the 08.

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#2332059 - Yesterday at 12:42 AM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: Jay Roland]
thercman Offline
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Err oops! Don't know what I was thinking... whistle That what happens after watching hours of keyboard reviews online...
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#2332062 - Yesterday at 12:54 AM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: thercman]
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thercman, perhaps you're thinking of Aftertouch on the keyboard?

This allows an extra degree of expression for playing synth or orchestral sounds, whereby you press a little harder after reaching the bottom of the key stroke, and this added pressure triggers an effect or different sound etc.

Cheers,
James
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#2332063 - Yesterday at 12:58 AM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: Kawai James]
thercman Offline
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Yes James, that was absolutely what I was thinking! I am not sure if the FA-08/06 can do that or not.

Edit: From what I have found thus far this is not a feature. Maybe Jay can confirm this...


Edited by thercman (Yesterday at 01:31 AM)
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#2332150 - Yesterday at 09:57 AM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: thercman]
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No aftertouch on any of the models you're comparing. The only 88 workstation in that price range with aftertouch is the Kurzweil PC3LE8. But it looks like that's being phased out and is getting harder to find. Also, unfortunately, it is not a lightweight board like the others you're looking at, it's a tubby 54 lbs.

However, if you're going to pair your lightweight 88 with a second board as many people do (if for no other reason than a fully weighted action is not ideal for many non-piano sounds, particularly organ), one possibility is to pick a second board with aftertouch, and use it to trigger sounds in your 88. Most boards that don't have aftertouch still recognize aftertouch over MIDI.

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#2332371 - Yesterday at 10:09 PM Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: thercman]
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Thanks Scott!

I went to GC today and another local dealer to check out the boards. I probably should have taken my headphones but it was kind of an after thought to make the trip. The only boards I could sample were the MOXF8 and the Krome. I must say I wasn't impressed with either of them. I didn't like the action of either and sounds didn't seem all the great. Not having headphones was probably a big contributing factor. With that said I have no way of checking out the Roland since the GC here is limited on their inventory. So if I want to try it I have to buy it. *sigh* The good thing is that based on the many hours of research I have done, it seems like the Roland is the one I would buy and probably in the 61 key variety... This process has been a bit of an eye opener for me as well. While I like the ideas of having a portable 61 key, the synth/organ sounds and the price, I really seem to gravitate towards stage pianos. So I am undecided on what I want at this point. The RD 800 is calling my name though. lol


Edited by thercman (Yesterday at 10:12 PM)
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#2332504 - 18 minutes 45 seconds ago Re: Korg Krome, Roland FA-08 or Yamaha MOXF8? [Re: thercman]
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Originally Posted By: thercman
Thanks Scott!

I went to GC today and another local dealer to check out the boards. I probably should have taken my headphones but it was kind of an after thought to make the trip. The only boards I could sample were the MOXF8 and the Krome. I must say I wasn't impressed with either of them. I didn't like the action of either and sounds didn't seem all the great. Not having headphones was probably a big contributing factor. With that said I have no way of checking out the Roland since the GC here is limited on their inventory. So if I want to try it I have to buy it. *sigh* The good thing is that based on the many hours of research I have done, it seems like the Roland is the one I would buy and probably in the 61 key variety... This process has been a bit of an eye opener for me as well. While I like the ideas of having a portable 61 key, the synth/organ sounds and the price, I really seem to gravitate towards stage pianos. So I am undecided on what I want at this point. The RD 800 is calling my name though. lol


If you are considering the RD-800, then you should look at some other DPs that are in that category. The MOXFs are entry-level workstations, not digital pianos, so the action is not going to be very piano-like. Also, since the MOXF is entry-level, it has the sounds of the MOTIFs but the limitations of the MOXF means those sounds aren't going to be as great. Still, they're not terrible. I'm sure the sound system they were hooked up to didn't do them justice. However, it is their lowest end DP action. Same with Krome. These are intended to be more of a synth with 88 keys.

The RD-800 is a digital piano with some synth capabilities - lots of sounds, and some recording possibilities, but mostly intended for live performances rather than music production. Other DPs that are competitive with this line are the Yamaha CP4 and Kawai MP7. If action is of paramount importance to you and sounds are not (if you're using a DAW, many come with their own VSTs or you can get VSTs to get the sounds you want), then the Kawai MP11 is probably the best out there IMO.

So it all depends on what you want this DP for.
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