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#2332526 - 09/30/14 09:34 AM How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have?
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I was wondering if there is a resource somewhere of the various actions Kawai has currently and in the past and the order of realism in the actions (from least to most realistic or least to most expensive).

It seems like there are a lot of actions and each has their own features so a list of them would be interesting to have for a sort of "history of Kawai actions" and how every new action gets closer to replicating a real acoustic. Just a thought that came to my head right now smile
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#2332570 - 09/30/14 11:36 AM Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: Giancarlo Robles]
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2.

A folded plastic action, and a pivot-based wooden action.

Everything else is a slight improvement (debatable) on the previous iteration: Longer keys, three sensors vs. 2, synthetic ivory etc.

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#2332575 - 09/30/14 11:49 AM Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: Giancarlo Robles]
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kawaius.com lists the actions if you click on them.

These ones seem like the ones currently sold on the internet or in showrooms:

RHII - mp7, es7, cn24, cn34
RHIII - cn25, cn35
AHAIV-F es100, cl26, kdp90

RM3II - vpc1
GF mp11, ca65, ca95


Edited by bnolsen (09/30/14 11:57 AM)

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#2332579 - 09/30/14 11:56 AM Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: Giancarlo Robles]
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So it really does not make that much of a difference the various actions they've made? For example, they do have Responsive Hammer action I, II, and III. Each of them must have better features with each new iteration. I think they also have a Grand Piano action. But there are so many it's kinda hard to keep track. I know every action must be different plus there is also the factor of wood vs plastic. My point is that it would be a good idea to list them all maybe from simplest action to most complex and also depending on the material of the keys (plastic vs wood), if they have synthetic ivory or not, details like that IMO changes the action from one to the next.
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#2332829 - 10/01/14 01:15 AM Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: Giancarlo Robles]
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Giancarlo, bnolsen's list is correct, however I believe the following table should provide additional information that addresses your queries.


* Optional Let-off refers to the fact that some models could share the same keyboard action, but include/exclude let-off.

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#2364293 - Yesterday at 03:55 PM Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: Kawai James]
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Coming from a CN24, and only a basic knowledge of playing uprights, what difference exactly does the counterweighting on all keys do on the newer RH3 over the RH2 then?

Don't worry, just found the follwing... http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2323243/New_Kawai_DP_&_RH3_action_.html


Edited by blackspaven (Yesterday at 04:02 PM)

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#2364325 - Yesterday at 05:44 PM Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: blackspaven]
Rolf Benz Offline
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Registered: 11/11/14
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Originally Posted By: blackspaven
Coming from a CN24, and only a basic knowledge of playing uprights, what difference exactly does the counterweighting on all keys do on the newer RH3 over the RH2 then?


Significant to not noticeable.
Sorry to be that enigmatic, but it is just my own experience. If you play either of both actions and you do not have much experience with grand piano actions you will most likely not miss anything. Or notice anything, to be more precise.

Just in direct comparison you *might* feel the difference. But it's more or less quite subtle and will usually only reveal its strengths to experienced players.

Don't worry, either the RH2 or RH3 will feel nice and capable, be it counterweight or not. You will have to develop quite advanced skills to notice the difference (and pay attention to it). For the time being, if I were you, I would not pay to much of attention to that feature. You should concentrate on how each action feels to your playing and how well it connects to your expectations.

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#2364517 - 51 minutes 6 seconds ago Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: Kawai James]
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James, I'm wondering what does exactly 'key length mean', is it the visible part of the key? does it refer to the whole key?
Thanks!

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#2364536 - 4 minutes 34 seconds ago Re: How many different actions do the Kawai digitals have? [Re: Giancarlo Robles]
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Registered: 05/20/14
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Loc: Massachusetts, USA
Marcos it refers to the entire key, whether it is visible or not.

The longer the key the closer the leverage becomes to that of an acoustic.

All these things do matter.. the closer the action is to that of an acoustic the better off you are when you go from playing your digital to playing someone else's acoustic piano, particularly if you're a beginner... experienced players will have learned how to adapt, but we beginners don't have this sense yet.

If it wasn't for cost & portability all the digital pianos would have the most realistic action the manufacturer could design..

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