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This is getting ridiculous. I know that neither you nor anyone else can do what you say or even remotely imply. BDB called your bluff and so am I. Either put up or shut up. You either put up a video that shows that you have tuned all of the unisons in the midrange (let's limit it to that) where you mute the unison and show that the left string reads -0.1, the center string reads 0.0 and the right string reads +0.1 on each and every note or stop claiming that you can do that. Have the video camera aimed right at the Verituner screen. Zero tolerance! You either do it or you don't and I already know that you cannot do it.

That being said, I found this quote from RXD in 2011 to be interesting and pertinent:

That is the clarification that I need. Do what you can to "arrange it." Thank you in advance, Mr. A443. And, while you are at it, please also show the way you like that particular unison on the piano that you are tuning at the time to sound. Thanks, again!

--Andy

That's the one, Kees! Thank you! (Credit also to bkw58, who answered by PM. )

Yes! The late Jerry Groot was the winner!

I've participated. And I showed Kees that I was able to tune a unison within a 0.2 cents range. Lol. And I did it on an ugly full upright Armstrong, more than 100 years old.

Good memories!

As a side note, I would add that your arrogance (or misunderstanding) is somewhat astounding, A443. I'm not asking you to "prove" anything.

In making a video of yourself that simply shows YOU tuning a unison the way YOU like to tune a unison, there is much in such communication that could benefit ANYONE. It's not about "proving." It's about, "Here's what I'm saying. Watch and learn." O.K.? I'm ready to watch. I'm ready to learn. You are the teacher. TEACH! You have no excuse to not post such a video. You have already posted several videos. Simply do it again on the subject of "unisons." Start a new thread if you want to. I'm all ears!

Raphael,

0.2 is 100% greater than the 0.1 that A-443 claims and he claims he can tune the whole piano that way every time and does it every day and so do all the high flutin' tuners that he knows. Who are they and where can we hear that? Enquiring minds want to know. (Yes, I know I spelled the word the way the tabloid newspaper does and I did it on purpose because so far, whatever proof or evidence of this ridiculous claim have been about on the same level).

I agree! I would really appreciate to see A443 tuning midrange unisons! Not for him to prove anything, but for me to see what he does and how he does it.

I wonder if the quality of a video would allow to hear the difference between a DOA and a sustain and a Vienesse unison.

I think A443 has nothing to prove to us here in PW. But I'll trully appreciate if he agrees to show us how he tunes.


EDIT: I agree with Cinnamonbear.

LOL...this just happened.




Really?!?

Really!!!

Never attempt to misrepresent someone like that again, Bill Bremmer RPT; I am capable of expressing myself--your assistance is not required.

I am still interested in the above that purportedly defines "the quite large range for a clean unison." Anyone with the time and a decent ETD willing to set unisons to the above indicated parameters, I'd really like to hear the result. Thank you.

Bill,

I really believe the Europeans: Oleg, A443, are great tuners and I have no reason to think that they are fantasying about tuning unisons the way they say they do.

If I was able, 3 years ago, to tune a unison with an accuracy of 0.2 cents in a played out 100+ years old cheap upright, I have no reason to doubt that a more experienced tuner, who does concert tuning, can tune 0.1 cents unisons in brand new high end pianos.

You tune dead on unisons, have you measured each string of your unisons? I bet you are under the 0.2 cents of mine!

Are you backing down from your claim then? Where will this all end up? I saw "-0.1 0.0 +0.1" and you claimed that you could do it, so let's see the proof and I mean real proof and I don't mean on just one note.

Hasn't anyone seen Isaac's video where he bangs on the hammer to demonstrate stability? He clearly tunes two unisons; one dead on and one coloured but still beatless. The difference between a "dead" unison with no projection; tone that seemed to be sucked into the piano, and a coloured unison that sings in quite obvious in this video. At least it was for me.

Sorry, I'm commenting on the validity of unison colouring vs a-one-size-fits-all approach to unison tuning. I'm choosing to ignore the posts re:measuring exact unison sizes. Its pointless. There are multiple partials all at different offsets on strings that do not have ideally matching iH. This exercise does not lend itself well to quantitative scientific description

Nothing will happen, until I am satisfied this will achieve something productive--it will be well documented ahead of time exactly what the naysayers think (i.e., what are the boundaries of their tuning reality). You've written that if I provide video evidence, it "will be nothing but a hoax." Were you being reckless with your writings again, or is that what you truly believe?

Are Bill Bremmer RPT and BDB saying that repeatability is not possible? If I put a string at +0.2, then I change the tension and repeat, are you saying that it is impossible to put it back in the exact same location again (i.e., to within c.0.1 cent)? That is what BDB's statement about tuning the A0 seem to imply, since it clearly has nothing to do with tuning unions.

No, I haven't seen that. Do you happen to remember where it is?

I am not European, just FYI.

I am, however, extremely concerned why Olek has so generously made videos on this topic in the past, yet they seem to continue to go completely unacknowledged by the naysayers. Have they not been watched, or are the results simply being ignored? Let's figure out what was not convincing, and then document it to end this cycle...

No, I am telling you to never summarise me again. If you have questions, you may ask me, and I will clarify my intentions and my thoughts. What you do not understand about others and how they work, you have no business trying to repeat: so do not do it. Unless your objective is to purposefully mislead? If that is the case, then I will work harder to correct each and every attempt you make, veiled, or otherwise.

We have asked you repeatedly to show that you can tune two strings 0.1 cent apart. All of your posturing is just your way of avoiding the question, just as you have avoided questions in the past.

Besides, Mr. Bremmer did nothing more than give his impression of what you said, an impression that many of us share. Again, if you think that impression is incorrect, you could correct it, instead of hiding behind a stonewall of mock indignation.

If you want to tell other people what not to post, get your own board. You neither own nor moderate this one.