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Originally Posted by knotty
Hi Nahum,
Do you have recordings of yourself. Maybe playing a mid tempo and then a faster one?


https://soundcloud.com/jazzman1945/r-kunsman-quartet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JhKlW7y40U&feature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by 36251
Originally Posted by Nahum
At rapid tempos, I really straining muscles of hand
I would suggest this if you're straining. Contemporary Piano Technique

This woman studied with Madam Chaloff. Go read about her and her students.



I was brought up in the traditions of the Russian school of pianism . But, of course, such a grand teacher I never had.

http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/show...ying-the-piano&highlight=jazzman1945

It completely not casually that I write a lot about melodica ...





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Originally Posted by 36251
I would suggest this if you're straining. Contemporary Piano Technique
This woman studied with Madam Chaloff. Go read about her and her students.
I would also suggest watching masterclass videos on Youtube from Hal Galper; he among other greats studied with Madam Chaloff.

The book has some excellent points, Hal Galper's masterclasses are very interesting (you can study online with him) - another pianist/teacher is Kenny Werner. There's some video excerpts on YouTube, he has a couple of Dvd's out that are really good (also get his book: Effortless Mastery).

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chrisbell, thanks for the tips. I worked 33 years as a teacher at the Jazz department of Jerusalem Academy of Music, and had to know the material on psychology, technique of piano playing (Books of Neuhaus, Hoffman, De Levine, Jozhef Gat), jazz harmony, improvisation , arranging ; and all that belongs to it. Beeboss will not let me lie - I participate over 5 years in forums All About Jazz, through which I became acquainted with all that you mention, except Madame Chaloff.
However, extensive knowledge isn't insured automatically the correct performance!

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That can be traced to the pianist play behavior on piano at high speeds - around 340 MM - from 07:35 (Nat Pierce)

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Originally Posted by Nahum
That can be traced to the pianist play behavior on piano at high speeds - around 340 MM - from 07:35 (Nat Pierce)


Thanks Nahum. These cats are swinging!! Oh man the tempos!

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Hi Nahum,

I used to ask this question a lot! My teacher Billy Taylor advised me to feel the half note pulse, instead of the quarter note pulse, at fast tempos. It seems when you can do this, the lines become freer and the music still swings, but not with as much triplet feel.
It took me years to become comfortable with this, though.
Good luck!


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Yes, Ron, I know it for many years; and I do it constantly - with successfully losing beat.

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Hey Nahum,

You are swinging in those 2 clips. You are being overly critical of your swing. You are a master player. Maybe worry more about how you could get the pianos tuned better... And that quote from Wikipedia about Miles is a really good tip (100 milliseconds behind the downbeats keeps a relaxed swing feel if that' what you want, check Mehldau)...

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Originally Posted by rintincop
Hey Nahum,

You are swinging in those 2 clips. You are being overly critical of your swing. You are a master player. Maybe worry more about how you could get the pianos tuned better... And that quote from Wikipedia about Miles is a really good tip (100 milliseconds behind the downbeats keeps a relaxed swing feel if that' what you want, check Mehldau)...

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Thank you, rintincop! I still think it is a problem, at least for myself; and it was important to know the opinion of other professionals who have received, unlike me, professionally jazz education.

As for detuned piano, on which I played in the record: in 77th, I played in this club the whole concert, suddenly have come musicians of Stan Getz - Billy Hart and Andy Laverne. Andy tried at the end of evening to play something on this piano, but just wilted, got up and left (And I was supposed to play all evening!)

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I got it ! The decision was under the nose, and I did not see him ... We can verbalize rhythmically improvisation faster than play with fingers. hence verbalization simultaneous with the hand dictates her timing. Remains bring to coordination between the hand and pronunciation.

PS Moreover, verbalization of rhythmic improvisation aspect clearly shows that part of notes - accented - fit well inside rhythm and swing, others serve as binders.

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Mark, I do not know - if I can answer to your post, which was removed?

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Barry Harris masterclass :



from 40:38 .

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Just a though: It might be a hearing thing, thinking that it's harder to keep your place in a fast tune whereas you'd play too much notes just to keep track. At least I think that's one of the problems I have in faster tempos. If you let the music breathe the phrases will make more sense, and hopefully swing more.

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Tap the half note lightly with left heel.
Play 4 notes per half note: evenly.
Key point: Consistently lay back your eighth notes behind the bass players pulse and behind your own foot tap. This will create a relaxed fast swing feel. Do not match up with the bass pulse. (This is what Miles, Jarrett, Mehldahu, etc. all do.)

Note: Flat fingers can wiggle faster than curled fingers.

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Here are two not smoothed examples: "without swing " and " with a swing " :

http://www.mediafire.com/view/rrrexji17mv2d1v/EX..mp3

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Excellent examples, Nahum. Can you analyze the rhythmic nuances of the two examples you posted?
The first clip is rushed, it's an agitated style of swing that has it place at times. The 2nd clip sounds relaxed because it's laid back behind the bass players pulse.

Try listening to Oscar Peterson playing "C Jam Blues" and then listen to Red Garland playing "C Jam Blues". Red's laid back swing flow is nicer than Oscar's on top of the beat swing flow. They both swing great, just different with different energy feels , excited vs relaxed.


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Originally Posted by Nahum

Here are two not smoothed examples: "without swing " and " with a swing " :

http://www.mediafire.com/view/rrrexji17mv2d1v/EX..mp3


In the second clip the pianist seems to be struggling - esp. at 32 secs also at 37 secs where he's trying to get his LH re-centred.


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The second clip is a lot better. As Miles Davis could say, the first clip sounded more like a white guy and the second clip sounded more like a black guy...

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