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#2340323 - Yesterday at 07:14 PM Physis Piano K4 EX, tell me more...
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Do you own one? Have you played on one? If so I would love to hear your thoughts on it...
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#2340330 - Yesterday at 07:29 PM Re: Physis Piano K4 EX, tell me more... [Re: thercman]
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I've got a Physis H1 and K4 master controller in my home studio. I've also played the H-2 and the V100 vertical. I've been consulting on the project for about a year now. I also have a Kurzweil PC3K, Kurzweil MPS20, Steinway Acoustic (Model "O") and recently started getting into the Ravenscroft plugin.

I'm around digital keyboards all the time -and really enjoy taking them for test drives! I really like the actions and response in the Kawai models (loved the VPC1 with Ravenscroft plugin I tried at the Summer NAMM show). I'm not a huge fan of the Roland sound, but like some of the key actions (RD series in particular). Yamaha has some great stuff, but they also have some low-quality stuff too which they're building to compete with Casio. Not bad stuff, just not the types of boards I'd like to play every day. I really like the AvantGrand pianos - incredible response and "feel" thanks to those little transducers they put under the keys - very cool. Kurzweil has made some great progress and I REALLY like the new samples in the Forte workstation (also available in the Artis).

Just trying to give you some background so you can understand my feedback.

If you're into a true "piano" sense key action, the H1 is better than the other portable Physis models. It uses a modified Fatar TP-400 wooden action with 3 sensors and ivory-sense key tops. Personally, I really enjoy the feel of this keyboard. It's along the lines of the Kawai home-digital and MP11 style actions.

The Physis H2 has a slightly different feel since it doesn't have the wood core or ivory-sense key tops. If you're doing more synth and organ playing - or looking for more master-controller features, the K4 and K5 models are a better solution.

You can checkout this recent review from a third-party source: http://www.pianobuyer.com/fall14/134.html
I think the reviewer did a fair and thorough review of the basic physical modeling sound quality and expression.

It's still such a new product so there aren't a lot of folks who have "under the fingers" experience.

Oh, Myron McKinley (keyboardist/producer for Earth Wind and Fire) is using a Physis H1 - you may be able to find some more info about his experiences. There are some others over in Europe that I don't know much about.

Hope this helps!

Kind regards,
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#2340354 - Yesterday at 08:33 PM Re: Physis Piano K4 EX, tell me more... [Re: pianoxcape]
Kawai James Online   content
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Originally Posted By: pianoxcape
It uses a modified Fatar TP-400 wooden action with 3 sensors and ivory-sense key tops. Personally, I really enjoy the feel of this keyboard. It's along the lines of the Kawai home-digital and MP11 style actions.


I've yet to play this particular Fatar action (I believe the TP-40/W is also found in the NUMA Nero), however the mechanism looks closer to a 'plastic with some wood' construction, rather than the fully wooden keys of a Kawai.



The Physis boards certainly look very impressive on paper. I shall look forward to playing one in the future.

Cheers,
James
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#2340382 - Yesterday at 09:57 PM Re: Physis Piano K4 EX, tell me more... [Re: thercman]
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Loc: Spokane WA, United States
Thanks Gary. I read the article you linked to.

It is pretty hard to find a decent weighted 88 key midi controller with after touch. It seems that the manufactures discount both in their designs. Personally I think after touch is a must have for playing vibratos on various instruments. They are controllers after all. What good are they if they can't control midi functions? I am sure you can use pedals or something to trigger them but it seems most intuitive on the keys. At least for me. Which is why I am looking at the Physis K4. For the price that key bed better be outstanding... smile

James,

The VPC1 is a controller that I have been interested since its release. The key bed in my opinion is best in class and what I personally want in a controller. However, it lacks any functionality beyond virtual pianos. I know, I know, it is a midi controller and so it will control any virtual instrument but it will do so lacking expression. With that said, if the VPC2 has pitch wheel, mod wheel and after touch, I'll buy it! Faders and other options for DAW control are great but I can live without them. For me it is about the creation of the music and being able to be expressive...

Cheers!
Greg
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#2340385 - Yesterday at 10:16 PM Re: Physis Piano K4 EX, tell me more... [Re: thercman]
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Registered: 09/06/07
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Greg, I think if/when a VPC2 is developed, we will stick with the 'piano like, minimal interface' of the VPC1.

I believe that there may be just enough room in the market for a MIDI controller with a very high quality keyboard action, pitchbend/modulation wheels, and assignable knobs/faders, and pads. However if Kawai was to produce such a product, I don't think it would be part of the VPC product line.

Aftertouch is a tricky one - I gather it's difficult to implement well on an action that wasn't initially designed with the functionality in mind.

Cheers,
James
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#2340390 - Yesterday at 10:37 PM Re: Physis Piano K4 EX, tell me more... [Re: Kawai James]
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Registered: 12/15/12
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Loc: Spokane WA, United States
Originally Posted By: Kawai James


Aftertouch is a tricky one - I gather it's difficult to implement well on an action that wasn't initially designed with the functionality in mind.

Cheers,
James
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That's why the engineers get paid the big bucks... Get them on it! LOL
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#2340441 - 23 minutes 12 seconds ago Re: Physis Piano K4 EX, tell me more... [Re: thercman]
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Loc: Spokane WA, United States
How would you guys compare the Fatar key bed on the Physis to my Nord Piano 2 HA88?
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