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#2340714 - Yesterday at 06:52 PM Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D
Emiliano Online   content
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Registered: 09/14/13
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I finally got my VPC1 last friday and I couldn't be happier; although a stunning instrument, doesn't make me feel nostalgic about the CS7 I had in Belgium.
I'll make a thread with pictures and details about the setting in the next few days in case it'll be useful to other members of the blog.
In the meanwhile, I'm fooling around with the Kontakt 5 settings and have some doubts about the best "sample rate" for the Galaxy Vintage D.
My Macbook Pro (ssd, so it's quite fast) can handle no prob the 64 Samples latency, but I'm not sure if I should keep the Sample Rate to 44100, 48000, 88200 or 96000 ...
Any heads up?

Thanx in advance :-)

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#2340727 - Yesterday at 07:29 PM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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Emiliano, congrats on your VPC1 (and move from Belgium to England...).

Regarding your query, I doubt there's a major difference in audio quality between the different sample rates (although latency may be affected). Assuming Galaxy Vintage D utilises 48 kHz sample data, I would set Kontakt's output to match.

Having said that, perhaps Kontakt's effects/reverb processing would benefit slightly from the higher sample rate?

Cheers,
James
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#2340731 - Yesterday at 07:46 PM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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Thank You James, I'm SO excited....I'm here fooling around with "Autumn in New York" as I type :-)
I heard that the "Sample Rate" has to match the sample data of the Galaxy, but how do I know?
44 or 48?

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#2340740 - Yesterday at 08:07 PM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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I'm afraid I don't know, although it may be possible to load the samples into a wave editor to check their properties.

Please note that with modern technology it may be fine to use different sample rates for the source wave data and audio output...

Cheers,
James
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#2340750 - Yesterday at 08:56 PM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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Well, there is always the "play and listen" test.

If something sounds better then use that, otherwise ... flip a coin.
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#2340825 - Today at 05:03 AM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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Hi Emiliano

I run the Galaxy Vintage D at 44.1 Khz on my Motu Ultralite Hybrid and sounds just fine, I tried also at 48Khz but I don't hear any sensible improvement so I prefer the lower rate to lessen the stress on the CPU & disk (though I also have an i5 and a SSD so not really a problem)

PS: Galaxy Vintage D samples are 48Khz 24bit
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#2340833 - Today at 06:02 AM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: dmd
Well, there is always the "play and listen" test.

If something sounds better then use that, otherwise ... flip a coin.


thanx dmd, pianistically I'm not seasoned enough to tell the difference, so I guess it's a bit of a toss up btw the two parameters....

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#2340835 - Today at 06:08 AM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Maxpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Maxpiano
Hi Emiliano

I run the Galaxy Vintage D at 44.1 Khz on my Motu Ultralite Hybrid and sounds just fine, I tried also at 48Khz but I don't hear any sensible improvement so I prefer the lower rate to lessen the stress on the CPU & disk (though I also have an i5 and a SSD so not really a problem)


Max, do you have any idea about the manufacturer's sampling data for the Vintage D? I heard is better to avoid any mismatch btw Kotakt's "sampling rate" and the sound engine's sampling data to avoid the so-called "resampling". Do you have any clue? :-)

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#2340836 - Today at 06:11 AM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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Originally Posted By: Emiliano
Originally Posted By: Maxpiano
Hi Emiliano

I run the Galaxy Vintage D at 44.1 Khz on my Motu Ultralite Hybrid and sounds just fine, I tried also at 48Khz but I don't hear any sensible improvement so I prefer the lower rate to lessen the stress on the CPU & disk (though I also have an i5 and a SSD so not really a problem)


Max, do you have any idea about the manufacturer's sampling data for the Vintage D? I heard is better to avoid any mismatch btw Kotakt's "sampling rate" and the sound engine's sampling data to avoid the so-called "resampling". Do you have any clue? :-)


I was able to find the info, 48Khz 24bit (I may reconsider my settings... grin )
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#2340838 - Today at 06:22 AM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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Nice catch Max, I sifted through the web the whole eve yesterday without success .... you rock!!

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#2340843 - Today at 06:40 AM Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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by the way, I just discovered this: keeping the latency lever set to "64 samples" and changing the "sample rate" from 44100, 48000 to the highest 96000, I noticed that there's a bottom right indicator that DECREASES its value from 11.5 ms (with 44100), 11.3 ms (with 48000), all the way to 10.7 ms (with 96000).
Is the "ms" value the actual latency? If that's the case it reduces going up with the 'sample rate'....
I need an aspirin :-P

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#2340851 - 28 minutes 51 seconds ago Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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ms is milliseconds, yes.

If you increase the sample rate, the computer is having to work faster, of course. So, all other things remaining the same, the 'latency' value is going decrease because the whole operation is speeded up.

Therefore, it is a 'win/win' situation, except that, if you make the computer work too hard (by decreasing sample buffer size and/or increasing sample speed (and possibly bit breadth) too much, the signal will begin to crack up.
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#2340852 - 27 minutes 45 seconds ago Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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Yes of course it reduces by increasing the sample rate, because the number of samples in the buffer is the same (the one you set with the cursor) but each sample duration decreases when the sample rate changes (duration is 1/samplerate): surprised?
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#2340856 - 7 minutes 8 seconds ago Re: Kawai VPC1, Kontakt 5 and Galaxy Vintage D [Re: Emiliano]
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oh boy.....should I set it to 96000 to get the lowest latency then? Better to stick with the 48000?

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