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...or maybe an AvantGrand with fully-modelled sound and Transacoustic technology? Why not new Kawai competitor to N1, with soundboard, similar-to-grand action, and samples Shigeru SK-EX, which are deeper and warmer than Kawai EX? And good sound system!!! Or new CA series with far more responsive and dynamic samples from SK-EX? Or Cabinet-style piano with V-engine from V-grand. You do know how to generate GAS! I like these ideas. A V-Upright does seem a logical next step too. Tony
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Kawai did release their own version of the Grantouch back in the day. It seems like nowadays they have no interest in that market; since they're calling the CA/CS line "hybrid."
Yamaha has probably made some incremental improvements to the AvantGrand; like removing the noise-gate etc....
As much as I'd like to see the N2X, I don't think it'll happen for at least another couple of years (I hope I'm wrong about both Kawai and Yamaha).
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Yamaha, Roland and Kawai will present digital pianos with music rests high enough to support normal-sized sheet music.
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Yamaha, Roland and Kawai will present digital pianos with music rests high enough to support normal-sized sheet music. Ditto. With solid back and high enough that an LED light can be clipped on above the pages, holds 3 pages wide with bound book page retainers. Its small but important details like these that can make or break a sale. I don't care whether its a standard or optional feature as long as its available and compatible with the instrument's music stand mounts. Ian
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Yamaha, Roland and Kawai will present digital pianos with music rests high enough to support normal-sized sheet music. Ditto. With solid back and high enough that an LED light can be clipped on above the pages, holds 3 pages wide with bound book page retainers. Its small but important details like these that can make or break a sale. I don't care whether its a standard or optional feature as long as its available and compatible with the instrument's music stand mounts. Ian And they will improve their spekaers systems by giving 16cm loudspeakers inside to have a good bass.
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Yamaha, Roland and Kawai will present digital pianos with music rests high enough to support normal-sized sheet music. Ditto. With solid back and high enough that an LED light can be clipped on above the pages, holds 3 pages wide with bound book page retainers. Its small but important details like these that can make or break a sale. I don't care whether its a standard or optional feature as long as its available and compatible with the instrument's music stand mounts. Ian My V-Grand has this. The music rest slides flat so I can put my Ultrabook there instead, but slides out and up and easily holds a large book of music or whatever, or could hold three sheets/piles side by side. Maybe that is the grand vs upright form factor that makes the difference? Also, the V-Grand came with one of those really nice thick padded piano benches that you typically see in front of grand pianos. Tony
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Yamaha, Roland and Kawai will present digital pianos with music rests high enough to support normal-sized sheet music. But the current ones work so well!
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My V-Grand has this. The music rest slides flat so I can put my Ultrabook there instead, but slides out and up and easily holds a large book of music or whatever, or could hold three sheets/piles side by side. Maybe that is the grand vs upright form factor that makes the difference? It's not the grand form factor, since the music rests on all the digital grands I have tried (including the Avantgrand N3) were as inadequate as the one in the photo lolatu just posted. The music rest on my acoustic grand is 28 cm high, which is OK even for old French scores that are 34 cm high, but the music rests on all the digitals I've tried were only about 20 cm high. I've never played a V-Grand. How high is the music rest?
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Yamaha, Roland and Kawai will present digital pianos with music rests high enough to support normal-sized sheet music. But the current ones work so well! That is truly amazing! How did you get the sheets to stay there long enough to take the photograph? Ian
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My V-Grand has this. The music rest slides flat so I can put my Ultrabook there instead, but slides out and up and easily holds a large book of music or whatever, or could hold three sheets/piles side by side. Maybe that is the grand vs upright form factor that makes the difference? It's not the grand form factor, since the music rests on all the digital grands I have tried (including the Avantgrand N3) were as inadequate as the one in the photo lolatu just posted. The music rest on my acoustic grand is 28 cm high, which is OK even for old French scores that are 34 cm high, but the music rests on all the digitals I've tried were only about 20 cm high. I've never played a V-Grand. How high is the music rest? It is probably like the one in the picture, so probably has the same issue. Quick estimate, it is probably 8 inches high or so. I really don't work much with sheet music (I can read, but prefer ear for the styles I am interested in), but instead I printed the books that came with my self-study piano course and put these in a binder which is stiff enough to stand up well. Tony
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But the current ones work so well! I'll admit, that pic raised a smile. The music rests could be taller, however I believe the current size supports books reasonably well: For single photocopied sheets, perhaps you can buy a piece of artboard, cut to size, and place it on the music rest? Cheers, James x
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For single photocopied sheets, perhaps you can buy a piece of artboard, cut to size, and place it on the music rest?
Adapt-a-stand might also work, though I've not tried one myself.
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For single photocopied sheets, perhaps you can buy a piece of artboard, cut to size, and place it on the music rest? That's exactly what I've done. Isn't it ridiculous, though, that my expensive digital piano isn't complete without the addition of a piece of cardboard? I don't think Kawai and Yamaha would get away with it if they reduced the height of the music rests on their acoustic grands. They make a big deal of the claim that their DPs give you the feel of playing on a real grand. Yes, the keys are just as big as those on the grands. So are the pedals. Why not the music rest?
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The music rest is attached to the instrument, and when folded flat almost sits flush with the rear side of the instrument. A taller music rest would extend beyond the rear of the instrument, and would no longer fit inside the shipping box. Kind regards, James x
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The music rest is attached to the instrument, and when folded flat almost sits flush with the rear side of the instrument.
A taller music rest with extend beyond the rear of the instrument, and would no longer fit inside the shipping box. NO, really? The music rests are too small because larger ones wouldn't fit in the shipping box?? Have you seen the size of those boxes??? An Avantgrand, or any DP with a grand piano form, is deep enough to have the folded stand attached when it's in the shipping box. For smaller DPs it shouldn't be too much of a challenge to make a music rest that can be attached to the instrument after taking it out of the box.
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The music rest is attached to the instrument, and when folded flat almost sits flush with the rear side of the instrument.
A taller music rest with extend beyond the rear of the instrument, and would no longer fit inside the shipping box. NO, really? The music rests are too small because larger ones wouldn't fit in the shipping box?? Have you seen the size of those boxes??? An Avantgrand, or any DP with a grand piano form, is deep enough to have the folded stand attached when it's in the shipping box. For smaller DPs it shouldn't be too much of a challenge to make a music rest that can be attached to the instrument after taking it out of the box. MRC, I agree on that with Kawai James. While the boxind itself is not a problem, or, shouldn't be with some little engeenering change, the prolem is depth when the stand is folded (fold?). In case when most of the people have their DP's just on the wall, the would have to stay like 10cm from the wall just for the reason that music rest could be lying. For Example, in Rolands the depth with music rest fold is even deeper (43cm vs 45,8cm for HP506), Kawais are 47cm deep, Clavinovas 46,5 cm. Taking out more or less 25cm for the lenght from the beggining of the stand till front of the piano, you get 20cm stand height. I never measured it, but I should more or less fit. I bet, that if they had high stands,that people would swear why they can't put their piano on the wall...
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NO, really? The music rests are too small because larger ones wouldn't fit in the shipping box?? Please re-read the explanation in my post: Kawai DP music rests are attached to the top of the instrument. When folded flat, the music rest cannot extend beyond the rear side of the instrument, therefore the height is restricted. Kind regards, James x
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I bet, that if they had high stands,that people would swear why they can't put their piano on the wall... So nobody can design a full-size music rest that folds and/or slides so that it doesn't prevent you placing the piano against the wall?
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[Please re-read the explanation in my post: Kawai DP music rests are attached to the top of the instrument. Please re-read my post: "....it shouldn't be too much of a challenge to make a music rest that can be attached to the instrument after taking it out of the box."
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