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#2355904 - Yesterday at 05:29 PM My prediction, Your thought
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This is a digital era, everthing is digital and we have to breath that technology everyday. Acoustic pianos will be obsolete one day, and digitals will occupy our house, our stage, our studio, even though some of people ( these people are also called artists ) are reluctant. Just like how digital cameras dominates the photography industry. 10 years ago, some photographers claimed that the resolution of a CCD or CMOS can never be compared with film. Now, what is Kodak doing? Piano tuner technicians will have to switch their career to make a living.
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#2355910 - Yesterday at 05:45 PM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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I don't think acoustic pianos will ever be obsolete. They may become too expensive for many people. Perhaps they already are.

But if you want real piano, an acoustic is the only choice.

To the extent that people can be satisfied with synthetic sounds, digitals will serve. I suppose many people don't hear the difference, or don't care. But for those who can and do, the acoustic performs better.

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#2355915 - Yesterday at 05:51 PM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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For how many years have violins been around now?
New instruments don't supersede old ones. They complement them. You can still get newly built harpsichords and clavichords. And people play them.

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#2355921 - Yesterday at 05:58 PM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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APs are gone from most homes now, but not to be replaced by DPs, but by receivers and TV sets instead. That happened already half a century ago. Most remaining home upright pianos are now heirloom, usually unmaintained and out of tune.

For studio and stage use: Well, what's easier to carry and easier to record? That should answer the question. The exception is of course classical piano music, there are no DPs in sight.
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#2355935 - Yesterday at 06:49 PM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: jtsn]
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Originally Posted By: jtsn


For studio and stage use: Well, what's easier to carry and easier to record? That should answer the question. The exception is of course classical piano music, there are no DPs in sight.

For as long as there is classical music, and people who perform it, the acoustic piano will survive.

There is the electric violin and electric guitar, but you won't find anyone playing Bach or Rodrigo on them:
http://youtu.be/uawgrbrUFxQ and http://youtu.be/NQEnvmIXbtc

In the case of the piano, the only digital that comes close to emulating the raw sound & power of a nine-foot concert grand on the concert platform is the V-Piano Grand. Bear in mind that classical music is never amplified (except discreetly for the guitar in concertos, and in open-air concerts in stadiums etc) and that what you hear is exactly what comes out of the instrument (or the singer's mouth....), and you realize that without modelling technology, multiple speakers judiciously placed within a well-designed cabinet (capable of reproducing down to 27.5 Hz) and amplification that matches all that, a digital can never hope to replace an acoustic concert grand in the concert hall.

It's the same comparison between an opera singer who can project his/her voice without amplification (even in pp) all the way to the back of a huge opera house, and a pop singer who needs a microphone (and autotune, and..... wink ) just to sing in a pub.
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#2355980 - Yesterday at 09:24 PM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis


There is the electric violin and electric guitar, but you won't find anyone playing Bach or Rodrigo on them:
http://youtu.be/uawgrbrUFxQ and http://youtu.be/NQEnvmIXbtc












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#2356001 - Yesterday at 10:35 PM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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Registered: 06/02/14
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electric violin and electric guitar aren't really that fundamentally different from their acoustic counterparts. Only the sound reproduction differs.

I can easily see a future where concert halls, churches, professional players and teachers retain grand pianos. I'm not seeing where uprights seriously stay very relevant.

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#2356055 - Today at 01:54 AM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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I see the day when digital pianos are so life-like they are programmed to go out of tune every 6 months and have a non adjustable squeak on the loud pedal.. . .these will be the totr ones and will require a technician/ tuner to effect the necessary. . .and they will sell.
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#2356062 - Today at 03:03 AM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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Registered: 12/26/12
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I'd only buy one if the volume of the squeak was adjustable through the menu.

. Charles

PS -- one of the adjustments on Pianoteq is the "Condition" parameter. All the way from "new" to "utterly worn out and mistuned".

Somewhere in the middle (it's a very narrow middle) are some usable "slightly-out-of-tune" settings, if you want your blues to sound like they're coming out of a cheap-bar upright.


Edited by Charles Cohen (Today at 03:06 AM)

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#2356064 - Today at 03:29 AM Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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Hmmmmm ...

Two Examples

Film Cameras vs Digital
Hardly an argument, but each tool serves a purpose. Both can do something the other cannot. But, film and film cameras will be around for a long time yest.

Digital Stereos vs Analog Stereos
The true zealots still purchase and prefer vacuum tube Amps and needles on the vinyl.

Pianos will follow the same way. Fewer choices. Not quite the quality of old due to lack of mass production. And those willing to pay for them.
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#2356069 - 47 minutes 46 seconds ago Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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Registered: 11/19/12
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Digital technology are affluent our lives, but unreplaceble things are exist.
I think speaker systems are hard to replace traditional strings and soundboard.
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#2356076 - 12 minutes 5 seconds ago Re: My prediction, Your thought [Re: Banzai_Ed]
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This point doesn't hold ...
Originally Posted By: Banzai_Ed
This is a digital era, everthing is digital and we have to breath that technology everyday. Acoustic pianos will be obsolete one day, and digitals will occupy our house, our stage, our studio, even though some of people ( these people are also called artists ) are reluctant. Just like how digital cameras dominates the photography industry.
A film camera is an artifice that captures an image on a strip of film using a lens. A digital camera is an artifice that captures an image on a chip sensor using a lens. They are substantially the same, and one artifice is replacing another. For most purposes the latter seems to be the better way. It just took 150 years of tech change before the latter could replace the former.

An acoustic piano uses hammers to excite strings, which transfer energy to a soundboard. The key action has been refined to give fine control to the artist.

The digital piano has no strings and no soundboard. Its action does not give the same fine control.

Summary: Film vs. digital cameras are two ways of doing the same thing. Acoustic vs. digital pianos are two ways of doing very different things. The intent may be to produce the same sonic result. But the differences in technique are what's keeping the latter from producing a convincing imitation of the former.

It may well be that acoustic pianos become rare. But I'm not optimistic that the digital will ever approach its performance.

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