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#2363283 - Yesterday at 11:40 PM The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign!
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I've had the pleasure to try out the new custom-modded Kawai VPC1 by Ravenworks Design (builders of Ravenscroft concert grand pianos). WOW!!!

Here's my review:
http://youtu.be/rIRI7rDR5js

If you're going to NAMM 2015 next month, you've definitely got to check this out at the Ravenscroft booth.... it'll just blow you away!

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#2363435 - Today at 11:03 AM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck

Here's my review:

"Infomercial" is the correct term, I believe.
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#2363449 - Today at 11:36 AM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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@ 1:25 you say the VPC "has the longest wooden key sticks in the industry". But in another video of yours you specifically point out the fact that Kawai's GF action (unfortunately not in the VPC1) is noticeably longer than the RM3 action (in the VPC1):



So who is right, PianoManChuck, or PianoManChuck?
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#2363457 - Today at 11:46 AM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: dewster]
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No... the VPC1 has the longest keysticks (RM3/II) in the industry FOR A CONTROLLER! That's what this video is about.

The MP11 (Grand Feel) has the longest keysticks for not only a stage piano, but in general.

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#2363459 - Today at 11:47 AM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: lolatu]
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Originally Posted By: lolatu
Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck

Here's my review:

"Infomercial" is the correct term, I believe.

LOL!! I wish it was an infomercial (that way I'd actually make some money with it)!

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#2363462 - Today at 11:56 AM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
@ 1:25 you say the VPC "has the longest wooden key sticks in the industry". But in another video of yours you specifically point out the fact that Kawai's GF action (unfortunately not in the VPC1) is noticeably longer than the RM3 action (in the VPC1):



So who is right, PianoManChuck, or PianoManChuck?


By the way - in that same video that you reference, at 1:11 I also state that the VPC1 has the longest wooden keysticks in the industry FOR A CONTROLLER.

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#2363475 - Today at 12:20 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Does it have a built in computer?

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#2363496 - Today at 01:14 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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I do have a few questions but maybe I need to be contacting the manufacture:

• price
• warranty
• if something happens during transit, is a Kawaii tech going to know how to put things back according to he customization?
• Can we still use other software?

etc

I am curious to see if there is indeed a market for something like this.

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#2363504 - Today at 01:30 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
No... the VPC1 has the longest keysticks (RM3/II) in the industry FOR A CONTROLLER!

If you meant that then why didn't you state it clearly?
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#2363529 - Today at 02:48 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster
Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
No... the VPC1 has the longest keysticks (RM3/II) in the industry FOR A CONTROLLER!

If you meant that then why didn't you state it clearly?

Hmmm... a few comments back, you went out of your way to find a previous video of mine about key lengths, then intentionally referenced a time (1:25) that appears to state something different than had you pointed to 14 seconds earlier (1:11)...
enough said.

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#2363531 - Today at 02:53 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: littlebirdblue]
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Originally Posted By: littlebirdblue
I do have a few questions but maybe I need to be contacting the manufacture:

• price
• warranty
• if something happens during transit, is a Kawaii tech going to know how to put things back according to he customization?
• Can we still use other software?

etc

I am curious to see if there is indeed a market for something like this.

Those can be answered directly from the source. Their website is www.RavenworksDigital.com with contact information within.

I do know that Ravenworks is fully authorized by Kawai for this mod, and that both companies support the warranty.

As for other software, its still a Kawai VPC1 - you can do the exact same things with it as a stock VPC1 from Kawai.

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#2363533 - Today at 02:54 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: emenelton]
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Originally Posted By: emenelton
Does it have a built in computer?

Its a controller, and like any other controller it does not have its own built-in sound source, if that's what you're asking. It needs to be plugged into an external sound source (other MIDI device, or virtual piano running on a computer).

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#2363538 - Today at 03:05 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
emenelton Offline
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Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 556
Thanks PMC!

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#2363547 - Today at 03:32 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
Those can be answered directly from the source. Their website is www.RavenworksDigital.com with contact information within.

Too bad that site isn't functional yet, though there is contact info.

I'm not sure I'd want someone mucking around in my new VPC1, replacing OEM Kawai materials and altering key weights - what, Kawai doesn't know piano actions well enough to do them right in the first place? And if I were going this route, I'd want it performed on Kawai's best action (GF, which IIRC is comparable in key-to-pivot length to a short grand action). And I really wouldn't want painted birds flying all over the thing. I'm obviously missing the point of this (probably fairly pricy) mod.
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#2363620 - Today at 06:20 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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As long as we're on the topic of the Ravenworks modded VPC1, this video deals with how it handles triple-sensor technology:

http://youtu.be/z7heUyLkjCY

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#2363637 - Today at 06:39 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
As long as we're on the topic of the Ravenworks modded VPC1, this video deals with how it handles triple-sensor technology:

http://youtu.be/z7heUyLkjCY



00:43 - "the first sensor sending a note-on MIDI message"
01:20 - "basically the first one again is note-on"

No. In both the 2 and 3 sensor case, there is no MIDI note-on message sent until the key passes the bottom sensor and velocity is calculated.

If anything, the top sensor is note-OFF at full release of the key.
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#2363669 - Today at 08:25 PM Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: PianoManChuck]
littlebirdblue Offline
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I managed to find pricing on the site. I didn't realize there was a link that took me to more info.

For me, at that price point (almost $5K for the controller alone), I'd rather patiently wait for Roland to release a new version of V-Piano.

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#2363696 - 21 minutes 44 seconds ago Re: The New custom-modded VPC1 by RavenworksDesign! [Re: dewster]
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Registered: 08/31/10
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Originally Posted By: dewster

Too bad that site isn't functional yet, though there is contact info.


@dewster:

I think you missed the blue button "Our Story" under "Click here for more info" which opens up this 20 page document:

"Our Story"

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