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#2366103 - Today at 12:20 PM shortest acceptable upright for a small apartment
Dennis R in WA Offline
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Registered: 10/13/14
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Loc: Spokane
I have been learning the piano for about three months now on a new (albeit inexpensive) DP. It was a Costco special and I am enjoying the challenge of learning an instrument rather late in life. And although the DP is a perfectly satisfactory solution I keep thinking about a small acoustic console piano.

I have spent a few hours on YouTube the last couple of days and it appears that consoles rather than a studio would be the best choice. I just wonder how tall I would need to produce a strong piano sound without blowing out the neighbors.

BTW I live on the bottom floor with a ramp to my door so getting the piano inside should not be too difficult. I also have access to a 39" console piano at my mother's house which I have been practicing on a couple times a week. But frankly, it is rather tinny sounding and lacks volume on the low end.

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#2366106 - Today at 12:31 PM Re: shortest acceptable upright for a small apartment [Re: Dennis R in WA]
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I've got a Yamaha P112 which is 112cm (44 inches) high. We're in an apartment - and as we're in Italy the floors are marble and the walls are hard plaster - the acoustics are harsh. Our downstairs neighbours feel blown out - the ones beside us barely hear me.

I could have gone a bit smaller, I certainly wouldn't go any bigger.
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#2366108 - Today at 12:44 PM Re: shortest acceptable upright for a small apartment [Re: casinitaly]
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I can imagine your marble floors likely act as amplifiers. My apartment is both carpeted and on the ground floor. I had already suspected that somewhere between 42 to 44 inches would probably be as tall as I should go.

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#2366138 - Today at 02:33 PM Re: shortest acceptable upright for a small apartment [Re: Dennis R in WA]
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Size does not dictate volume and some verticals only play loud. I think you will find huge differences from brand to brand.

Enjoy

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#2366159 - Today at 03:15 PM Re: shortest acceptable upright for a small apartment [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I've got a Yamaha P112 which is 112cm (44 inches) high. We're in an apartment - and as we're in Italy the floors are marble and the walls are hard plaster - the acoustics are harsh. Our downstairs neighbours feel blown out - the ones beside us barely hear me.

I could have gone a bit smaller, I certainly wouldn't go any bigger.

With vertical pianos it is not so much as matter of size (height) as it is design, condition, care, etc.

Very short verticals often sound harsh and strident simply because many manufacturers did not consider them to be "real" musical instruments and spent very little effort in trying to make them anything but cheap price-leader pianos.

It is often the case that a taller piano of better design using better materials (especially hammers) and with more attention paid to basic manufacturing and final regulation and voicing will not only sound "better" but it will not sound as "loud" as the more crudely designed and constructed shorter piano.

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#2366179 - 9 minutes 10 seconds ago Re: shortest acceptable upright for a small apartment [Re: Dennis R in WA]
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Dennis I have a Yamaha LU101 (no longer made but they do make comparable models these days) and I am very happy with the sound quality in a surprisingly small instrument. It's 42 inches high.
My old Mason & Risch is only 37 inches tall but has more 'boom' than the Yamaha. If it wasn't completely worn out I think it would sound quite rich and mellow.
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#2366180 - 7 minutes 53 seconds ago Re: shortest acceptable upright for a small apartment [Re: Del]
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Registered: 04/15/07
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Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
Originally Posted By: Del
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I've got a Yamaha P112 which is 112cm (44 inches) high. We're in an apartment - and as we're in Italy the floors are marble and the walls are hard plaster - the acoustics are harsh. Our downstairs neighbours feel blown out - the ones beside us barely hear me.

I could have gone a bit smaller, I certainly wouldn't go any bigger.

With vertical pianos it is not so much as matter of size (height) as it is design, condition, care, etc.

Very short verticals often sound harsh and strident simply because many manufacturers did not consider them to be "real" musical instruments and spent very little effort in trying to make them anything but cheap price-leader pianos.

It is often the case that a taller piano of better design using better materials (especially hammers) and with more attention paid to basic manufacturing and final regulation and voicing will not only sound "better" but it will not sound as "loud" as the more crudely designed and constructed shorter piano.

ddf


Actually, one of the nicest small (I think 110cm) pianos I have played in a while was designed by Del for Weber / Young Chang. It was at the trade show two or three years ago and I was surprised how full and even the sound was considering the size.

But, if budget is not an issue, then the European 100- 112 cm uprights can be astoundingly rewarding to play. The Grotrian 110 is one of my favorites.
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