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#2376386 - 01/21/15 05:51 PM "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack...
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at this basically unanswerable question in the first episode of “MusicHeads,” a new radio series she is hosting for WDCB public radio in suburban Chicago.

http://wdcb.org/new-media/music-lounge.php?id=87

Kind of like a much more cerebral Piano Jazz (minus the sociable chit-chat), with excellent playing by Barber and her guests. Amazingly serious and un-dumbed-down for a radio program ostensibly aimed at general audiences, I thought.

I liked the very clear demonstrations of the way note subdivision, articulation, and accents all contribute to swing feel; and how rhythm section players settle into a groove together.

Cheers,

B.

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#2376663 - 01/22/15 11:43 AM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: slowtraveler]
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Thanks. I'll definitely check this out. (Hello fellow Chicagoan!)

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#2376734 - 01/22/15 01:43 PM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: slowtraveler]
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I play jazz for the past 52 years, and just don't know how to explain what is a swing. You can treat the symptoms of swing, but it will never be exhaustive. Somebody tried to explain the New York's accent in English? .These Phenomena are in the same category!
Really - who researched in depth relationship American English and swing feel , its timing and articulation ?

https://soundcloud.com/jazzman1945/talking-satchmo

https://soundcloud.com/jazzman1945/satchmo-trumpet-voice


Edited by Nahum (01/22/15 01:45 PM)

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#2376757 - 01/22/15 02:33 PM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: slowtraveler]
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Yeah, pretty much everybody (including Barber) who tries to define swing ends up admitting that it can't be fully expressed in words.

A few years back I heard Cassandra Wilson give a really good explanation of swing in some TV interview, but I can't find a link to it now.

Interesting idea, the similarities between a native speaker's use of language and swing feel in music!

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#2376760 - 01/22/15 02:38 PM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: jjo]
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Originally Posted By: jjo
(Hello fellow Chicagoan!)

Hi, jjo! Glad you liked the link.

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#2376767 - 01/22/15 03:01 PM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: slowtraveler]
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slowtraveler ,Thank you for the opportunity to hear other approaches to the issue .
As can be seen the relationship between English and swing more noticeable to foreign ears smile. Off-beat as a phenomenon of English:

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#2376919 - 01/22/15 10:40 PM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: slowtraveler]
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I haven't listened to this program yet, but I look forward to doing so.

Patricia Barber is a very impressive performer. I spent many nights at her shows at the old Gold Star Sardine Bar in Chicago (a fantastic small venue sorely missed by its many fans). I'd love to see her play and sing again soon.


Edited by ClsscLib (01/22/15 10:41 PM)
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#2377048 - 01/23/15 08:20 AM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: ClsscLib]
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Originally Posted By: ClsscLib
Patricia Barber is a very impressive performer. I spent many nights at her shows at the old Gold Star Sardine Bar in Chicago (a fantastic small venue sorely missed by its many fans). I'd love to see her play and sing again soon.

The Sardine Bar! Haven't thought about that place in quite a while. I was only there a couple of times--it closed not too long after I discovered it. It was the first place in Chicago that gave Barber a regular gig, wasn't it?

She's at the Green Mill on Monday nights now when she's in town, with a quartet. Her bassist and drummer are guests on this episode of the radio show.

Cheers,

B.

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#2377097 - 01/23/15 10:25 AM Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: slowtraveler]
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Originally Posted By: slowtraveler


...She's at the Green Mill on Monday nights now when she's in town, with a quartet. Her bassist and drummer are guests on this episode of the radio show.

Cheers,

B.


Thanks -- I was hoping she still had the Green Mill gig.

Unfortunately, I now live 600 miles from Chicago. Hope to be back and catch a performance there, though.
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#2378182 - 44 minutes 41 seconds ago Re: "What is Swing?" Patricia Barber takes a whack... [Re: slowtraveler]
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That first 20 minutes was disappointing... barber can barely swing, she offers so little insight into "what is swing
"... the bass player swings but he cannot seem to analyze what swing is (fail)... the drummer does a nice job of demonstrating swing's evolution without getting particularly scientific... barber is clueless with her crackpot blossom of the sound after the attack theory, lol ... the sax player does very well demonstrating off beat accents.

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