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#2378571 - Yesterday at 05:10 AM Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones
Bob50 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/15
Posts: 2
Hi
First post so please be gentle - apologies if this should be posted elsewhere.

I'm wondering if it is possible to play the VPC1 through bluetooth headphones (via laptop of course) I'm using Synthogy Ivory II with a windows 7 laptop. Internet searches have not helped. I can get any sound i like through the internal laptop speakers or wired headphones but im guessing settings within Cantabile for audio outputs need to be changed. Does anyone know if it is possible and if so the correct laptop or Cantabile settings.
Cheers
Bob

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#2378598 - Yesterday at 08:05 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Bob50]
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Registered: 04/07/14
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There are bluetooth hardware solutions that go:

stereo cable --> bluetooth transmitter --> bluetooth receiver --> stereo headset

If you want your computer to output directly to bluetooth without extra hardware, it'll depend on the bluetooth driver. Those that play nicely with Windows will show up as an audio device which you can choose as your default audio output device. Those that don't play well with Windows will have their own crazy software stack.

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#2378621 - Yesterday at 09:10 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Bob50]
C-C-R Offline
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Registered: 02/11/07
Posts: 6
Loc: Spain
Hello,

take into account that by going bluetooth you are going to add delay to the sound and it won't be ideal to play the piano. I don't know how much and maybe it's implementation dependent but I've noticed when watching movies with my bluetooth headset that the sound is out of sync with the image.

Carlos

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#2378626 - Yesterday at 09:20 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Bob50]
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I haven't used bluetooth headset in a while, but when I did I wasn't massively impressed with the ones I did try some time back. AFAIK it also uses compression to transmit/receive data, perhaps these things are getting better, but I very much doubt the signal will be of the same quality and have some extra latency as already said, compared to that of a good set of cans with a wired solution.

I've always avoid wireless things for sound, perhaps I am getting old-fashioned laugh


Edited by Alexander Borro (Yesterday at 09:20 AM)
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#2378699 - Yesterday at 01:09 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Alexander Borro]
Bob50 Offline
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Registered: 01/24/15
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Thanks for replies, I did figure on possible latency - even a little will make it unplayable for me. I'm using wired Bowers & Wilkins P3's and although quite nice the cord is way to short and gets in the way and also distortion is a major pain at higher volumes. I guess a longer lead will be a simpler soloution - just so frustrating I can get great sound from the laptop but not from the VPC1 through the bluetooth headphones. They do show up in windows and I can set them as default audio output but no dice.

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#2378776 - Yesterday at 04:35 PM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Bob50]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Registered: 12/26/12
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A quick Google search -- bluetooth latency frequency response -- yields this interesting thread:

http://superuser.com/questions/464388/3-5mm-analog-audio-vs-bluetooth-audio-quality

My summary of the answer:

. . . It's complicated, but the "default" Bluetooth driver will
. . . introduce lossy compression, and latency.

In your place, I'd just buy a longer cable. Cheaper, and no degradation of the sound.

. Charles

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#2379102 - Today at 10:29 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Bob50]
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Registered: 05/26/13
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Alternatively you could buy a receive/transmit pair of wi-fi modules that would have no latency delay at all. Such a pair would cost several hundred dollars/pounds.

I don't understand your comment about distortion at high volume. Are your headphones connected directly to your vpc1?

Ian

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#2379118 - Today at 10:57 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Bob50]
toddy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/11
Posts: 1912
Loc: Portugal
Originally Posted By: Beemer
Alternatively you could buy a receive/transmit pair of wi-fi modules that would have no latency delay at all. Such a pair would cost several hundred dollars/pounds.

I don't understand your comment about distortion at high volume. Are your headphones connected directly to your vpc1?

Ian


You can't connect headphones to a VPC 1 - it doesn't have an output or input of any sort. It just sends and receives MIDI.

Perhaps the best advice - whatever music generator is being used (in this case, I think it's a computer) - is to get an extension cable. The highest quality transmission system ever devised is copper wires, I think.


Edited by toddy (Today at 10:58 AM)
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#2379119 - Today at 10:58 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Beemer]
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Registered: 07/17/11
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Originally Posted By: Beemer
Are your headphones connected directly to your vpc1?

- beware! trick question...

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#2379120 - Today at 10:59 AM Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: Bob50]
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....and I fell for it frown
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#2379224 - 10 minutes 47 seconds ago Re: Kawai VPC1 with bluetooth headphones [Re: toddy]
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Registered: 05/26/13
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Originally Posted By: toddy
....and I fell for it frown


No it was I that made the error! I own a Kurzweil K1200 Pro 88 synth controller keyboard that has no amplifier but does have a stereo headphone socket. I did know the vpc1 had no sounds but
my aging brain let me down again!

Ian

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