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#2378590 - Today at 07:37 AM Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach?
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Registered: 04/15/10
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"NAMM Show 2015. Viscount International – the Global 200 Italian Keyboard Manufacturer with over 100 years of history – has just announced it’s new Physis Piano Editor Software.

The Physis Piano Editor is a software program specifically designed to allow musicians the ability to edit the Physical Modeling details available in the H1, H2, H3 and V100 Physis Piano models.

The Physis Piano Software Editor greatly increases the editing possibilities since it allows single note parameter editing – which is not found in the physical instrument. This Feature, along with numerous other parameters in the piano modeling technology (Hammer, String Type, Resonance, Size, Tuning, …. etc.), allows you to personalize the piano sound with a wide range of possibilities, allowing anyone to obtain a personal, customized piano sound.

The software editor is very powerful, but also extremely easy to use. Once connected through a USB cable and computer, every modification made on the computer can be heard in real time on the piano. Every modified preset can be saved, both on the piano and the computer.

The software editor is compatible with piano firmware version 1.5 and later and is currently available for Windows XP,7,8 and soon for MAC, iPad and Android."

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#2378614 - Today at 08:41 AM Re: Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach? [Re: Bluesman]
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Originally Posted By: Bluesman
The Physis Piano Software Editor greatly increases the editing possibilities since it allows single note parameter editing – which is not found in the physical instrument.

Fail. All parameters should be editable via the front panel!

Don't get me wrong, editors are nice and all, but it's like the guys who implement UIs lately tire easily and just give up at some point. How hard is to stick an extra menu or two in there?

Ironically it's probably a lot more work writing and maintaining the PC/MAC/iPad/Android editors. But they all seem to be doing this lately: leave out the ability to change some critical parameters and then at some point down the road release an editor.

To do this right though they should have released either the MAC or PC version (but not both) first, with a promise to release the other soon, in order to make one camp or the other angry / anxious. That's the way the big boys seem to do it anyway.
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#2378619 - Today at 08:54 AM Re: Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach? [Re: dewster]
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The V-Piano/Grand allows you to customize everything, for every individual note, from the front panel, though it also comes with a CD to do the same editing via a computer. (All the customizable parameters are easily accessible and intuitive to use - even I found out how to do it within minutes). I've never used the CD - at the time I bought the V, I didn't even own a home computer.

Frankly, to assume that everyone who buys a DP - other than the VPC-1 and Nords - is a computer nerd (and needs a computer to use the DP) is a sure way to put off many buyers: I've noticed quite a few older folks in DP stores who want to start/restart their piano-playing, who have difficulty understanding the jargon used in DP-speak. They may be looking to replace a clapped-out old spinet at home with half its strings broken, and are definitely not intending to spend hours in front of a computer screen......
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#2378622 - Today at 09:12 AM Re: Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach? [Re: Bluesman]
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Registered: 04/15/10
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Ok!

But until now, nothing of this was possible on physis.

I Don't mind using a PC or tablet for creating my customized piano, since I will do it from time to time.

Nevertheless, I suspect they will upgrade the menus of the front panel as they did before.

And ok, V-piano as this advantage of doing all that by it self. But, from this point, Physis is also capable of the same level of editing, and as a stage piano, you get EPs, Wurlitzers, all customizable....

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#2378638 - Today at 10:11 AM Re: Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach? [Re: Bluesman]
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Loc: Northern NJ
Not trying to jump on you Bluesman. Most see a hidden parameter editor as as a value-added to trumpet at NAMM, when to me it is often an indicator of poor product design. It takes some work to make all the parameters available for editing, and do so in an intuitive manner, but the result will be a much more complete and integrated product IMO. The presence of an editor can be something of a UI punt.

In 10 years the application / driver won't work in Windows 29, or the electrical interface will have disappeared / mutated beyond compatibility. This is a chain where the weakest link breaks the whole thing.

Or maybe the AI in your iWatch will get cranky and refuse if you don't ask it nicely to talk to the Physis.
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#2378640 - Today at 10:22 AM Re: Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach? [Re: Bluesman]
Bluesman Online   content
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Loc: Portugal
dewster:

Poor product design, is not what physis certainly is... I look to my Yamaha P-155 with that 3 digit display... or the P-255...

Meanwhile, I tried to run the midi file of your DPBSD test on physis, but it couldn't work, I don't know why.

Il try next days to run it via PC, and soon I'll give the file.

....



Edited by Bluesman (Today at 10:23 AM)

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#2378672 - 35 minutes 56 seconds ago Re: Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach? [Re: Bluesman]
emenelton Online   content
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Registered: 08/02/09
Posts: 575
Bluesman,

Is the fit and finish of the H2 as impressive as it appears in the pictures?

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#2378680 - 5 minutes 8 seconds ago Re: Physis Piano Editor Announced -Pianoteq/V-piano's approach? [Re: Bluesman]
Bluesman Online   content
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Registered: 04/15/10
Posts: 19
Loc: Portugal
Yes... aluminum chassis and the glass touch panel is amazing. This stage piano is quite impressive in terms of looks. (But V-Piano is the best looking stage piano so far)

But in this first days, the impressions are these:

Terrible action compared to my Yamaha p155. The best action I've tried was in V-piano, the second best in the Rd-700 NX. Keybed on physis h2 is very noisy, clunky, some notes drop out in fast passages, repetitions in lower notes sounds very muddy in some presets. I think is the third sensor that is messing the whole thing.

Compared to V-piano I found the sound of physis less synthetic. But somehow playing the V-piano is a more immersive experience, very responsive and with the dynamic like an acoustic piano despite the thinner sound. The physis is like running Pianoteq in a PC with a master controller with FATAR action.

Some presets sound awesome, and others are very unrealistic with rings and bell artifacts that emerge in a totally unnaturally form.

It's possible to tune every single note individually, but not the unison tune. Despite of that, a little detuned piano using unison parameter sounds very realistic.

The last upgrade fix some of these issues, but now the lower register is less potent...

The pedal noise is perfect.

This announced editor is a powerful tool for me, to adjust the piano for my taste, and to correct this things.

The sounds of electric pianos are the best, the acoustic bass is unbelievably good, some tonewheel organs are passable, the strings are now usable with the last update.

There are compressors, reverb, chorus, and other several DSPs, very very powerfull.





Edited by Bluesman (3 minutes 2 seconds ago)

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