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#2379055 - Today at 09:13 AM Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording
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I want to replace the audio in a video file with one recorded directly from the piano at the same time. Can anyone recommend any software that will sync the two files easily?

I have a Yamaha P155 full keyboard. I use a Windows computer.

Thanks for any suggestions.
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#2379067 - Today at 09:41 AM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: griffin2417]
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Very difficult to do this. Do you plan to play live?. Is the Music full of rubato and tempo changes?.
You'll have to watch the video and perform with it while you record your new Audio.

Any of the DAWs that support sync to video can do this.
On OSX I would suggest Logic, Cubase, Digital Performer or Pro Tools 11.
On Windows Cubase or Pro Tools 11.

Much easier if the piece is in a specific tempo and you know what, the tempo is. In this case you could just record it to a metronome and pair it with a video specific program like Adobe Premier or Final Cut, or the amateur equivalents, Premier Elements or iMovie.


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#2379093 - Today at 10:20 AM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: griffin2417]
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Originally Posted By: griffin2417

I want to replace the audio in a video file with one recorded directly from the piano at the same time. Can anyone recommend any software that will sync the two files easily?

If I understand correctly, you want a video recording of your performance, but you don't want to use the audio from the camera's built-in mic?

It's tricky to do this with a separate audio recording device. For running times longer than a minute or so, separately recorded audio will frequently drift noticeably out of sync with the video, unless you take care to ensure that the camera and the audio recorder share the same timing reference during recording. It is extremely laborious and time-consuming to use editing software like Premiere or iMovie to manually repair the timing drift that often occurs in so-called double-system recording.

If your video camera has a line input for audio, it may be possible to bypass the camera's built-in mic, connecting the P155's AUX output(s) to the audio input of the camera. You may need a small mixer and/or adapter cables to make the connection, but this will be much easier than recording audio on a separate device and futzing around with editing software to marry the audio and video after the fact.

If by chance your camera does not have a line input for audio, I would suggest finding one that does. Again, it'll be much less of a bother to find a way of recording both audio and video on one device, than to maintain or recreate sync using separate recording devices.

Kind regards,

B.

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#2379098 - Today at 10:24 AM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: griffin2417]
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Thanks for your response. I will be recording the piece at home. The piece I'll be playing is Clair de Lune. I want to submit both an video and audio recording for the ABF recital.

I don't know anything about recording to a metronome. This is all new to me. Thanks for the suggestions. I will do some research to learn more. Any other ideas will be appreciated.
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#2379105 - Today at 10:30 AM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: slowtraveler]
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Originally Posted By: slowtraveler
Originally Posted By: griffin2417

I want to replace the audio in a video file with one recorded directly from the piano at the same time. Can anyone recommend any software that will sync the two files easily?

If I understand correctly, you want a video recording of your performance, but you don't want to use the audio from the camera's built-in mic?

It's tricky to do this with a separate audio recording device. For running times longer than a minute or so, separately recorded audio will frequently drift noticeably out of sync with the video, unless you take care to ensure that the camera and the audio recorder share the same timing reference during recording. It is extremely laborious and time-consuming to use editing software like Premiere or iMovie to manually repair the timing drift that often occurs in so-called double-system recording.

If your video camera has a line input for audio, it may be possible to bypass the camera's built-in mic, connecting the P155's AUX output(s) to the audio input of the camera. You may need a small mixer and/or adapter cables to make the connection, but this will be much easier than recording audio on a separate device and futzing around with editing software to marry the audio and video after the fact.

If by chance your camera does not have a line input for audio, I would suggest finding one that does. Again, it'll be much less of a bother to find a way of recording both audio and video on one device, than to maintain or recreate sync using separate recording devices.

Kind regards,

B.


You understand correctly! Thanks for this information. I suspected this would be a difficult thing to do. I will probably look into finding a device that can handle both audio and video. Thanks again.

Best regards,


Edited by griffin2417 (Today at 10:34 AM)
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#2379122 - Today at 11:08 AM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: griffin2417]
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You certainly won't want to be dealing with a metronome if you're playing Debussy! (unless it was "The Gollywogs' Cakewalk", perhaps).
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#2379136 - Today at 11:43 AM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: toddy]
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One tip is to clap your hands before starting to play. This will give an easy mark on both the video and the audio, to align the starting point.

Amateur film makers do this all the time. Old reel film cameras don't have mics, they have to record audio separate. The iconic chalk board with the clack and call of "action" is used to label and also for aligning the sound and video.
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#2379140 - Today at 11:57 AM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: griffin2417]
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Originally Posted By: griffin2417

You understand correctly! Thanks for this information. I suspected this would be a difficult thing to do. I will probably look into finding a device that can handle both audio and video. Thanks again.

Griffin, you do not need a different device necessarily, just use other software.
Have a look here

Depending on the camera you are using, you might be able to use Windows Live Movie Maker (on a new OS) or Debut Video Catcher. At any rate you can record video with the sound from your 'line-in' (direct from Piano) instead of via microphone. That way there is no synch necessary.


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#2379159 - Today at 12:58 PM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: griffin2417]
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#2379297 - Today at 06:04 PM Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: toddy]
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Originally Posted By: toddy
You certainly won't want to be dealing with a metronome if you're playing Debussy! (unless it was "The Gollywogs' Cakewalk", perhaps).


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#2379322 - 21 minutes 38 seconds ago Re: Need advice for software to sync video with audio recording [Re: griffin2417]
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Thanks again everyone! I'm glad to know I have a lot more options. Jytte and Elmer, thanks for the links.
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