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Ace - you should fill in your own profile and reveal your own affiliations before you demand that others do
btw i am only a groupie of Bach
accompanist/organist.. a non-MTNA teacher to a few
love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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Posted by Ace30 "Now I'm sure that *apple and Mikhailoh will soon follow suit to jump all over me for this post. After all, that's what a good little Larry-groupie should do.
*apple, you're up next."The gang's all here! Ace30
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you are smart.. have to hand that one to ya
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love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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And you accused both apple and myself of being Larry groupies, when neither of us had mentioned anything about Mr. Fletcher.. in short, you deceitfully and provocatively (see 'troll') mischaracterized our comments.
That's what my comment about 'who said...' was directed to, and you know that. But, in true troll-like fashion, you twisted it to suit your own twisted, small-minded and somewhat neurotic purposes.
I don't know who pianobuilder is, and neither do you. If it suits your neurotic vision to think it is Larry Fletcher, well, there's no accounting for sickness.
Frankly I don't care who pianobuilder is. His/her posts are relatively civil which raises them far above your own, and the agenda-driven attacks on industry folks I have seen on here.
So go crawl back under your rock and nurse your seriously damaged psyche. You can't win any victory here.
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He is so solemn, detached and uninvolved he makes Mr. Spock look like Hunter S. Thompson at closing time.'
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So go crawl back under your rock and nurse your seriously damaged psyche. You can't win any victory here.The gang's STILL all here. "But, in true troll-like fashion, you twisted it to suit your own twisted, small-minded and somewhat neurotic purposes."I twisted nothing. You are the one stupid enough to ask "Who said anything about Larry?" in a thread where he had been mentioned several times. And I still maintain that you know darned well who pianobuilder is. And your calling his posts "civil" only supports that theory. Ace30
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He is so solemn, detached and uninvolved he makes Mr. Spock look like Hunter S. Thompson at closing time.'
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No comment huh? Can't say I blame you. :p
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He is so solemn, detached and uninvolved he makes Mr. Spock look like Hunter S. Thompson at closing time.'
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Thanks mike! Ace30
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I believe my point has been made by Ace30. I can tell you this for a fact, I have never spoken to either Apple or Mikhailo, nor have they spoken to me. I have spoken to Mr. Fletcher however, and he is finding this all extremely amusing, particularly the Ace30 fellow. It seems that Ace30 is himself a "sockpuppet", and has himself been banned in the past under a different screen name, banned for being rude and obnoxious, making personal attacks, most of them aimed at Mr. Fletcher.
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Thanks for the confirmation 'pianobuilder'. Ace30
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Originally Posted By pianobuilder] I believe it is against forum rules to engage in making personal attacks against another forum member, is it not? Both of you list your industry affiliations, in such detail in fact that it's like reading your resumes every time you post. Yet the information you give is nothing but self serving sales pitches with the substance of a sales brochure.
...You both do that, but you do it for self aggrandization and to boost your egos, not because it is required of you. <font color="orange"> *Boggle* </font>Seems like Pianobuilder was singled out here by Steve C for the reasons that his/her knowledge of pianos, the industry, and forum history are suspect indicating some kind of 'history' with this site. Understandable. If I were pianobuilder, I would be offended by the accusation.. because accusations are inflamitory by nature. Everyone should draw a truce, because we all seem to contribute valuable information when the time calls for it, pianobuilder not excluded. However, pianobuilder, the tension others seem to have with you comes from one thing: your mysterious identity. It is clear that there is a reason for masking it, and that reason could be anybody's guess. There in lies the problem, people here tend to do that. If it is important to you for those people to stop speculating, I am sure I speak for all of us when I say a little more info in your profile would be welcomed by all of us!
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pianobuilder,
If you know the identity of a previously-banned sockpuppet who is currently egging this thread on, what purpose does it serve to withhold that information?
Saying too little (as you seem to be fond of doing) can be as harmful to the overall health of the Forum as saying too much.
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"the tension others seem to have with you comes from one thing: your mysterious identity. It is clear that there is a reason for masking it, and that reason could be anybody's guess."
I don't have to guess.
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Thank you Angeleno. That's exactly what I would like.
Axtremus, now is probably the time to lock up this thread. We're significantly off track and name calling has replaced most dialogue.
And fourteen pages of this is enough .....right!?
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Well, well, this thread takes the prize. It is the most fun I've read in quite a while. Thank you Terry Wilson. I would say you have been cooked well done.
Since he has vacated, the sad obvious fact is that the fangs haven't gone back in, the old laundry is coming out, and PW's denizens are now turning on each other for whatever reason fills their fancy. Tres ugly.
Can't we dislike each other civilly and save the real venom for the Mr. Wilsons of the world?
John, and my two sons play an Estonia 190 and a Samick upright.
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In my efforts to help this thread along to be of record length...
My view (and I know that none cares but I will say it anyway) is really that this place would be a lot better if everyone were to stop hiding behind stupid acronyms and sock puppets and all such nonsense.
If peope cannot be bothered or dont have the guts to use their real name, why should they be given any credibility?
Plenty of posters here know my full name, where I live, what my phone number is and so on. And in PM's they extend the same courtesy to me. Many people now sign their posts with their actual name. I claim no expert knowledge - I just come here for fun. I enjoy it (usually).
It is only a piano forum after all. I repeat - it is only about pianos. It is not very important. It does not involve medical breakthroughs or the reduction of global poverty. It involves expensive luxury goods for people who have a few bucks to spare and who like music. It is a leisure industry. We only come here because we like playing pianos. All this intrigue is compeletely unnecessary.
I know that some people say that manufactures are driven away. I dont buy that - manufacturers' PR departments in any industry generally avoid gossip forums like this. There is no real upside to them getting involved in debates with consumers. So those who claim here and in competing sites that manufacturers will be attracted are dreaming in my opinion. There may be a trickle but no flood.
All this sockpuppetry could be avoided by not allowing people to be members without having a name verification procedure. Various sites do exactly this. Charge a trivial sum to be a member or provide a credit card number for verification or some such. Keep the surnames private to teh moderators if you like. Sure, we would lose a few members. But we would also lose a number of people who hide behind false names and acronyms and false locations and fire off all kinds of abuse at others, just like kids in a playground having a tantrum.
All the stuff about who is Ace, who is pianobuilder, is Larry still here with yet another name, and on and on and on is so childish really. And I know I have engaged in finger pointing before now - and I wish I had not and I will not do so again if I can help it.
This site when you get right down to it, is really about entertainment, becasue that is what pianos are for. I know that some people find it helps them with finding and fixing pianos, but the pianos are still solely for entertainment.
The level of bickering among adults who all share a common interest in music is bizarre.
My best regards to all genuine members who have the guts to post in a genuine way, with reasonable discretion but without pretending to be somebody they are not.
Adrian
That is my real name. I really live near Guildford in the UK. Any member can PM me and I will reply. I do not hide my identity. My photo has been posted on this site. I wish a few more people here had the courage to be "real".
End of rant!
C212. Teaching. Accompaniment.
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Hey, my personal web page is my signature line! I would support wholeheartedly the switch to a name verified system of some sort.
David
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I have not made any personal attacks against anyone. I have not pushed any brand of piano over another one. I have offered reasoned, educated advice, and corrected other peoples' mistakes in as polite a manner as I was able. My information and advice stands or falls on its own, just like anyone else's. I am not someone else's sockpuppet. I have watched as representatives of Geneva, Bechstein, Baldwin, Samick, Young Chang, and several others have been vilified and ridiculed by others here, usually coming from the same group of people.
Tell me where I deserve to be attacked by every poorly informed "expert" here just because you don't have my phone number. Tell me why any other manufacturer representative would be willing to identify himself here.
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Because there is no reason not too? Why should I trust someone if they are hiding something from me? Mike, Durango Colorado. Home builder. No affiliation to the piano industry.
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