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Get the whole CD, if you don't have it already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajcajs935V0This first piece is something I've been trying to play. I can only listen in awe to the way it's supposed to be played, as Ovchinnikov shows us! I can make an argument that I should drop this piece, because it's beyond my technical ability, but I can play parts of it decently slowly, so I guess I will shoot for the stars and someday maybe hit the moon!
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The pianist above, although very accomplished, still appears to be lacking somewhat in a couple of very important elements when performing these pieces as one has to play them with real "heart" (mature conception and experience) combined with "fire" (unbridled brilliance and abandon) as demonstrated in this recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh9F35RKWLsAfter having listened to countless other sets of these Etudes I have reached the conclusion there are only a mere handful of pianists in the world that have what it takes to convince me that I am actually listening to "Liszt"... not just a pianist with fast fingers at work but the playing becomes focused solely on realizing the intentions of the composer and this carries over beyond the notes on the page to project the real core of the music, itself. And, there are other performances I have heard that are simply not brilliant enough, where the pianist tries to deliberately construct the pieces in a uniform and proportioned manner as a water-downed diluted technique will not suffice, either. They are not to be attempted by the timid or faint of heart! In essence, the pianist and Liszt have to become "one" to serve the music. Extra note: @pianoman9, I did not wish to take anything away from your enjoyment of the above CD as we all have our favorite performances to listen to and that is a matter of personal preference. You may find in time that there are equally captivating performances of the same pieces after you have listened to many other recordings. And, there is Cziffra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmq5JBpFf9wAs close to "Liszt" as you can get!
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The pianist above, although very accomplished, still appears to be lacking somewhat in a couple of very important elements when performing these pieces as one has to play them with real "heart" (mature conception and experience) combined with "fire" (unbridled brilliance and abandon) as demonstrated in this recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh9F35RKWLsAfter having listened to countless other sets of these Etudes I have reached the conclusion there are only a mere handful of pianists in the world that have what it takes to convince me that I am actually listening to "Liszt"... not just a pianist with fast fingers at work but the playing becomes focused solely on realizing the intentions of the composer and this carries over beyond the notes on the page to project the real core of the music, itself. And, there are other performances I have heard that are simply not brilliant enough, where the pianist tries to deliberately construct the pieces in a uniform and proportioned manner as a water-downed diluted technique will not suffice, either. They are not to be attempted by the timid or faint of heart! In essence, the pianist and Liszt have to become "one" to serve the music. Extra note: @pianoman9, I did not wish to take anything away from your enjoyment of the above CD as we all have our favorite performances to listen to and that is a matter of personal preference. You may find in time that there are equally captivating performances of the same pieces after you have listened to many other recordings. And, there is Cziffra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmq5JBpFf9wAs close to "Liszt" as you can get! How can you say Ovchinnikov doesn't have "fire"? Completely ridiculous! His recording is completely on fire! As well as with tons of heart! The recording you posted was not as good, IMNSHO. But keep in mind if you had heard my preferred version first, you might think the same way, and vice versa if I had heard your favorite recording first. It's difficult if not impossible to "erase" our memory of music we have heard in the past.
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Wow, that's the first time I've ever seen Cziffra play (not just hear). His hand movements are beautiful to watch. I can make an argument that I should drop this piece, because it's beyond my technical ability, but I can play parts of it decently slowly, so I guess I will shoot for the stars and someday maybe hit the moon! Just try it man; if you find your piano playing has improved as a result of trying to play it, then you've succeeded.
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Maybe there is some appreciation here for how Nyiregyhazi in his early manhood would have played the Liszt etudes. I think we get a glimpse of it in this recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDvNChzBc2o
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Wow, thanks for posting. I found him doing Scriabin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Kmv_zFS48Far out, but not too far! Too bad the recording is bad, but it's still moving. And how exactly do you pronounce Nyiregyhazi?
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Opinions obviously vary with these kinds of things, but for what matters, as someone who owns 9 complete cycles of the Transcendentals, I think Ovchinnikov and Berman are the two best. I respect both of your opinions.
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Wow, thanks for posting. I found him doing Scriabin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Kmv_zFS48Far out, but not too far! Too bad the recording is bad, but it's still moving. And how exactly do you pronounce Nyiregyhazi? I pronounce it near-edge-hazi. The recording is substandard and the playing has audible issues. In some recordings even such things as a procession of slow - very slow - double octaves was perilous for the elderly Nyiregyhazi! I suppose what we have is his sound and the interpretive ideas with a technique that is just enough, at times, to get all of that across.
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