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#2391939 - Today at 08:05 AM Acoustical Piano Actions vs High End Digital Piano Action
LarryMan Offline
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Registered: 01/11/14
Posts: 66
Hi there friends,
I was visiting a local Piano store today and among others they were selling Ritmuller Pianos for about 3000 euros.
The salesman said that even acoustic pianos of 3000 euros have better action and sound than of a digital of the same price range.
I am wondering if such a statement is correct since for the amount of 3000 euros someone could buy here (including delivery) Kawai CA67, Roland HP506, Yamaha CLP 545, and Kawai MP11 (with stand and speakers).
What I had in mind, is that the above digital pianos supposed to have better action than similar priced acoustic pianos, Am I wrong?
P.S I never had the chance to play test any of the digital mentioned above in order to compare.

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#2391946 - Today at 08:24 AM Re: Acoustical Piano Actions vs High End Digital Piano Action [Re: LarryMan]
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Well, only you can decide for yourself which you prefer after sitting down and trying each out. There is of course something very nice about real strings resonating inside a wooden box. But the acoustic instrument will require tuning and maintenance. It is true that upright pianos do not have the same actions as grand pianos... but even here, people generally prefer what they are used to. If all you've ever played is an upright your entire life, you might find making the switch to a grand piano's action not to your liking, or you might find it inspiring. Hard to say.

There are very few digitals that have comparable actions to an acoustic grand piano. The Kawai GF action makes a good attempt at replicating that sensation for the player. Now, the samples in a digital instrument may indeed come from a piano you could not possibly afford or have room for, this is true. But the issue is always getting its sound to fill your own room with the same beautiful waves of an acoustic instrument.

When you say high end, the digital instrument that comes closest at the moment to what you are describing is the Yamaha Avant Grand N3 (or to a slightly lesser degree the N2) which have grand piano actions that have been incorporated in a digital instrument and speakers located all around the case in an attempt to get audio to emanate in several directions - similar to how the sound was sampled with several microphones. Other features in crude the Tactile Response System which make the instrument rumble under your fingers in the low end the way an acoustic does.

#2392142 - Today at 07:21 PM Re: Acoustical Piano Actions vs High End Digital Piano Action [Re: LarryMan]
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I mean by definition, the action of a digital is mimicking the action of an acoustic (specifically DPs with weighted designs). So unless the acoustic piano is completely busted, the actual action itself is going to certainly be better. Maybe better is not the best word, but more genuine.

But also consider there is no "standard" re what an acoustic keyboard feels like. There's a lot of variations in the actions of acoustics, so really you need to go with what feels good to you.

There are digital actions that are certainly crappy, but the higher end models, they're very good - enough that your technical skills learned on your digital will transfer over when you play an acoustic. I personally preferred Kawai GF keys > Yamaha GH3 (haven't tried their higher end ones) > Roland PHAIII. (haven't tried IV)

The action isn't the only thing however. The sound needs to be considered, and maintenance and other lifestyle factors such as size, ease of portability, need for silent practice. And I've definitely played on some gross old console/spinets - even when they're in tune - where my CA95 sounded WAY better.
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#2392162 - 8 minutes 5 seconds ago Re: Acoustical Piano Actions vs High End Digital Piano Action [Re: LarryMan]
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Registered: 12/07/09
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If you're looking to play piano - real keys pushing real hammers hitting real strings, resonating all over the place - there's no real substitute for that at this point. Though you can get closer if you don't mind booting up a PC every time you want to noodle around for a minute or inspiration hits. But then you might find yourself on a never ending hunt for "better" samples and keys.

If you want something for silent practice, portability, etc. then you are up against a wall and need a DP.

Lots of perfectly fine pianos out there hitting the junk pile.
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