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#2393101 - Yesterday at 12:40 AM Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson
Hrodulf Online   content
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Registered: 02/02/09
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Started this piece tonight but the edition I'm using is awful. Anybody know where I can buy a good score of this?

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#2393221 - Yesterday at 09:25 AM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hrodulf]
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which edition are you using? have you searched on the internet for alternatives?
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#2393265 - Yesterday at 11:15 AM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hrodulf]
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I'm using the original published edition. I was hoping to get something that was professionally edited instead of some random score off the internet.
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#2393282 - Yesterday at 12:05 PM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hrodulf]
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why settle for something random on the internet?

there's http://blueblackjazz.com/en/transcription/74/74-james-p-johnson-carolina-shout-transcription-pdf (from an original piano roll, evidently)

another transcription
http://www.fvstore.com/JAMES-P-JOHNSON-PIANO-SONG-BOOK-1945-JAZZ-Sheet-Music/p301109.html

also this article by ethan iverson

http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/in-search-of-james-p-johnson.html

sums up much of what is published and available (evidently there's not a lot that's available and totally accurate as you've noted ....)

here's another (academic) source of information with at least 3 pages of the shout ....

https://basinstreettobirdland.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/martin-on-james-p1.pdf

what you want (a totally edited note perfect edition) may or may be out there and it depends on what you mean by "professionally edited" ... the internet is your friend in helping you get to the bottom of it. hope this helps .... i know it's not perfect.
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#2393286 - Yesterday at 12:17 PM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hrodulf]
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I just meant that I'd heard the piece before but when I got the score there were things in it that didn't sound right, and I know popular music sheets from that era for mass consumption were either rewritten out of recognition to make them easier to play, and/or full of bad arrangements and wrong notes, that if I was going to learn this I should work off a correct score.

Thanks for the links.
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#2393324 - Yesterday at 02:00 PM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hrodulf]
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More than one great pianist learned it by following the depressed keys on a player piano.
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#2393363 - Yesterday at 03:44 PM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hrodulf]
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Thanks for the help I can't afford to buy this now but I will when I have the money. Tax season and all.
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#2393699 - Today at 11:25 AM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hrodulf]
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You still haven't said what edition you're using.
I don't think there's an "original published edition".

If you go to the link Mark gave you :
http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/in-search-of-james-p-johnson.html

about two thirds down is the original score, which is pretty useless.

I don't think James P. Johnson ever bothered to write all the notes down like Scott Joplin did.

It's important to realize that when James P. Johnson himself recorded the piece he
and played it differently every time. If he were to play it another time it would be different again.

Also, all the other pianists who recorded it played it differently as well.

So there wouldn't exist an definitive score. This is at the border between ragtime and jazz so
it's composed, yes, but a bit loose - you can take some liberties.

I suggest that you use the score that you have a starting point and those places that don't sound right, well
you change them to something that you like.

Having said that, I think the Scivales transcriptions are pretty accurate.

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#2393726 - Today at 12:01 PM Re: Carolina Shout --- James P. Johnson [Re: Hidden son of Teddy Wilson]
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I was using the score from https://basinstreettobirdland.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/martin-on-james-p1.pdf but it's terrible. There's one place where there is a g minor triad in the left hand and a b minor triad in the right hand, if you can believe that.
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